Formhandle Bootcamp - a la AZ PUA Style

[Hi-Lite]

I just got done reading one of Mimicker's last field reports where he tried to get one of his friend's laid following one of Formhandle's Bootcamp assignments.

As part of this lair, I think we should start a bootcamp of our own.  Same structure, but under the guidance from the top PUAs in this lair.  I've read the first assignment for Formhandle's Bootcamp and plan to read the rest, but it would be nice to be able to write FRs about it on this lair.  Keep in mind, that Formhandle's Bootcamp was originally instituted two years ago at least so it'd be kind of pointless to post FRs on a thread that is so old.  Besides, it's been my experience that people get flamed in mASF for the silliest little things.

I'm aware that there are a few people here that are undergoing some form of bootcamp.  As for people like myself, I need a push to get started, and following a structure would help.

Any suggestions?  Would any one of the top posters care to come up with a formula?  I would be so ever-grateful if we can get something started....

[mimicker]

I don't think you guys could handle the bootcamp I'd assign...

[Hi-Lite]

WTF, I'm gonna catch shit for saying this...but I'll take the challenge!

When do we start Surgent Mimicker?

[Hi-Lite]

Oh yeah, Mimicker...that doesn't mean you have to go trigger happy or Ike Turner on us!

[rockit]

I just got done reading one of Mimicker's last field reports where he tried to get one of his friend's laid following one of Formhandle's Bootcamp assignments.

As part of this lair, I think we should start a bootcamp of our own.  Same structure, but under the guidance from the top PUAs in this lair.  I've read the first assignment for Formhandle's Bootcamp and plan to read the rest, but it would be nice to be able to write FRs about it on this lair.  Keep in mind, that Formhandle's Bootcamp was originally instituted two years ago at least so it'd be kind of pointless to post FRs on a thread that is so old.  Besides, it's been my experience that people get flamed in mASF for the silliest little things.

I'm aware that there are a few people here that are undergoing some form of bootcamp.  As for people like myself, I need a push to get started, and following a structure would help.

Any suggestions?  Would any one of the top posters care to come up with a formula?  I would be so ever-grateful if we can get something started....

I am engaged on my own bootcamp 120 approaches/40 days on week 2 day 7, it is a challenge because I have to get out there and make at least 3 approaches a day.   My advice, just do it.  Don't listen to anyone else and if they flame you, it because they are CSMFTS (chicken shit muther fuckers themselves).

The up side? Gets me out every evening.  Makes me do something I don't want to do.  Posting my FR is a motivator for others.  Thinking about UPing the approaches in the next bootcamp.  Takes time to post so I don't have time to watch TV.  Get a lot of laugh's for acting stupid here and in front of HB's. wtf, I got to shower and get out there now.  Will post yesterdays FR later tunite.

The down side? Not much time to watch internet porn.  Feel like I put a noose around my neck and it's getting tighter everyday. :oops:   Want to quit but I would be letting you guys down.  :wink:  AIRACHMF? (am I really a chichen shit muther fucker?)  :shock:  Living the life of an AFC, tv remote, arm chair lover is so much easier.   :cry: I got to pay some bills online but, wtf? I'll do it later.

Get the fuck out there and quit thinking about what those lame, other mASF muther fuckers think about you.  I ain't here for them, besides I got a 5 degree akido black belt in my lair so if any of those other mf's say anything about me I will send him after them.  :x

[rockit]

I don't think you guys could handle the bootcamp I'd assign...

I have one thing to say Mr. mimicker, if you haven't done the bootcamp yourself, then you have no reason to ask anyone else to tasks what you are unwilling to do.  With that in mind, I certainly would like to hear about the bootcamp you have participated in.

[Uncle Jesse]

There are so many ways you could structure it. What are you looking to improve on? If it's approaches, the kind that Rockit is doing is a pretty good one. He's forcing himself out everyday. If you don't think you can surge everyday for whatever reason, set a quantitative goal for the week (like 50 approaches). We've done this a few times on the Lair. It was fun watching Mojo promise to do like 70 approaches and have them done before the Fing weekend.

I'm sure Mmicker has a good idea, he posted something before on it that was pretty demanding if i remember correctly, but surely productive.

SURGIO

[Wayout]

Highlight..you beat me by like a day about the bootcamp idea. I was discussing this with EZrider and Surgio...and about to develop my own bootcamp.
  Here are few things that we need to keep in mind. The goal of any bootcamp is to imrove in certain areas. Thererefore it must be almost custom constracted to address specific SPs of the individual.  Now..it is more productive to do something like this with a partner(s)...you get support and most importan....a feedback.  It''s hard to see your own mistakes.,you kinda always repeat the same thing and oblivious to what you doing wrong. And I am sure everyone would agree that it's easier to spot mistakes from the outside. That's why people pay $800 to participate in workshops...and they are not wasting their money....it is important for someone to be observed by an experieced individual...
  The change is in you...but if you are blind and dont know which direction to go,you get discoraged and revert back. That's why people pay money to go see therapists or attend workshops. The hardest thing to see is the most obvious. ( Kinda like  a van made of pot crossing the border :wink: )
   I went with EZryder to Rocky point few weeks ago...and we talked a lot about seduction in general and where we were. He pointed out few things that I wasnt really aware of right away....mostly becuase it wasnt his SP and I hope I brought up some questions in his mind too. ( He never considered avearge girls for sex for example...and now he is anxios to fuck a fatty! :wink:)...
  A bootcamp also should be desined with a progress in mind. A progress should be easily measured....so you know for sure where you are.,not some abstract concept. I am a little familiar with creating a questinaire to measure succes from my therapy days. So I will adopt it for this project too.
 And the most important....realize where you at and where you want to be....then design baby steps to get there. And if in the procces you'll make a friend for life....even better!

P.S. I'll creat my own blog on this site ( if that's ok with you J-dog) where I will track my progress and hopefully get some feedback from you guys. Beats having girly xanga!
   :lol:

[=SkyNet=]

bootcamps put you in "lets get as much sets open as possible" mentality. Which is bad. I can open 50 people in 2 days , but so what, allmost all of them will be flakes and no phonenumbers . Thats only good to build confidence. Its like saying Hi to everyone you see on the street, builds confidence and nothing else.
    Perhaps a good bootcamp would be to have 3-5 day2s set up each week. And you have to post how each day2 goes. Pick up is what most people focus on but thats only like 1/3 of what you have to do to get laid.

[Hi-Lite]

rockit wrote:

I am engaged on my own bootcamp 120 approaches/40 days on week 2 day 7, it is a challenge because I have to get out there and make at least 3 approaches a day. My advice, just do it. Don't listen to anyone else and if they flame you, it because they are CSMFTS (chicken shit muther fuckers themselves).

You're right, imma just do this shit.  Gotta start out of somewhere.  It's just so out of my comfort zone...I cringe with discomfort at the very thought that I will be stepping into uncharted territory.

rockit wrote:

The down side? Not much time to watch internet porn. Feel like I put a noose around my neck and it's getting tighter everyday.

I'm gonna have to give up internet porn?  You're right, this shit is going to feel like putting a noose around my neck...

Surgio wrote:

If you don't think you can surge everyday for whatever reason, set a quantitative goal for the week (like 50 approaches).

Yeah, it's approaches I wanna work on. I will implement this shit into my bootcamp "syllabus"....

Wayout wrote:

Now..it is more productive to do something like this with a partner(s)...you get support and most importan....a feedback.

I'm down for this shit Wayout.  Let's get together and formulate a plan.

=SkyNet= wrote:

bootcamps put you in "lets get as much sets open as possible" mentality. Which is bad. I can open 50 people in 2 days , but so what, allmost all of them will be flakes and no phonenumbers . Thats only good to build confidence. Its like saying Hi to everyone you see on the street, builds confidence and nothing else.
Perhaps a good bootcamp would be to have 3-5 day2s set up each week. And you have to post how each day2 goes. Pick up is what most people focus on but thats only like 1/3 of what you have to do to get laid.

I agree with your suggestion Skynet.  Setting up 3 to 5 day2s for a bootcamp is awesome.  But as of right now, I'm considering starting out small - I'd like to have a good foundation on my inner game and confidence.  However, this won't take away from trying out other things in the meantime.

Thanks for the feedback guys.

[rockit]

You'all read my post tonight, it's not just about confidence for me, It's about learning the process of opening, stroy telling, qualify, close.  I get stalled at all four points along the way and am presently working from the beginning of opening and story telling, then will move on to qualifying, then close.  or maybe I might do all in one set tomorrow.  I don't know.  What I do know is it isn't about how many sets I can open, It about how far I can lead the set.  I stall along the way and believe with practice I will get past those sticking points.

It's one of the all time great foot race, the tortiose beat the hare becuse he was consistent, the hare was fast and lost.  Schools open, now get out there and show us what you can do, in the daylight, without synthetic or homegrown mind altering confidence builders.  

How's that saying go...Use your brain for a change.

[WarHorse]

I definitely agree the various responses, the 120/40 Boot Camp that Rockit and I are doing is more a confidence builder than anything else, IMHO.

Although it may not always result in the best quality sets or secure # closes from being flakes, it does build some solid fundamentals for aspiring PUAs like myself (I've been able to tune out *most* of the internal dialogue BS before an approach but still need work in that area).

It definitely melts away the stalling before an approach and forces one to abide more and more to the 3s Rule (www.fastseduction.com reference). For me, it's put me more into the frame of "it's not even an approach but simple comment, meant to amuse/entertain." So what if she's not into me or doesn't appreciate my sense of humor - her loss.

Since enrolling in bootcamp, my confidence and approachability have gone up. I find that useful not only in PU but in everyday life as well (wow, applying PU principles to life, is that possible?) - calling ppl on their BS, shutting ppl down when they deserve it, breaking the ice in a room w/an alpha-tonality comment.

Feedback?

Your Beloved WarHorse

[mimicker]

If I assigned a bootcamp, I would do it myself.

But I think we did something similar to this before... and no one kept up with it (including myself).  So I'm not sure if it'd work...

And then everyone would want to work on a specific area...

I dunno, if I did it, it'd probably be like this

Week 1 - Approaching Bootcamp (BC)
Week 2 - Attraction BC - NEGs
Week 3 - Attraction BC - C&F
Week 4 - Attraction BC - Push/Pull
Week 5 - Value BC - Body Language
Week 6 - Value BC - EVing
Week 7 - Value BC - Cold Reading
Week 8 - Qualifying BC - Prizing
Week 9 - Qualifying BC - Screening
Week 10 - Rapport BC - Tonality
Week 11 - Rapport BC - SS
Week 12 - Rapport BC - Vibing
Week 13 - Rapport BC - Games
Week 14 - Phone BC - Talking
Week 15- Phone BC - Setting up the meet (or NOT setting up the meet)

etc etc etc etc and that would take forever to cover everything for everybody...

[rockit]

I definitely agree the various responses, the 120/40 Boot Camp that Rockit and I are doing is more a confidence builder than anything else, IMHO.

Yo, speak for yourself dude.  I have different goals than you and I am  expecting to learn how to process from open to close. :idea:

[rockit]

If I assigned a bootcamp, I would do it myself.

But I think we did something similar to this before... and no one kept up with it (including myself).  So I'm not sure if it'd work...

And then everyone would want to work on a specific area...

I dunno, if I did it, it'd probably be like this

Week 1 - Approaching Bootcamp (BC)
Week 2 - Attraction BC - NEGs
Week 3 - Attraction BC - C&F
Week 4 - Attraction BC - Push/Pull
Week 5 - Value BC - Body Language
Week 6 - Value BC - EVing
Week 7 - Value BC - Cold Reading
Week 8 - Qualifying BC - Prizing
Week 9 - Qualifying BC - Screening
Week 10 - Rapport BC - Tonality
Week 11 - Rapport BC - SS
Week 12 - Rapport BC - Vibing
Week 13 - Rapport BC - Games
Week 14 - Phone BC - Talking
Week 15- Phone BC - Setting up the meet (or NOT setting up the meet)

etc etc etc etc and that would take forever to cover everything for everybody...

oh, mimicker buddy, just as I suspected.  Ya know...I was taught never to ask something of someone unless I was willing to do it myself or have done it myself.  Although, I will give you small props for your bootcamp agenda.  Process is what it is all about.  Now lets get out there and start the drill.   I will have to start mine when my 40 days are up.  I will print this out and strongly consider it as bootcamp #2.  Maybe you could come up with some specific detail the agenda, eh? :idea: