IVDs (Instant Interactive Value Demonstrations)

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Date Posted: 2003/11/20 08:04:00 PM EST
Author: TylerDurden <unknown email address>
Subject: Fear of loss on flakes / Improv and Trusttest IVDs

I'm in NYC tonight.. So I rang up some flakes from Kingston (my hometown).
They were immediately impressed that I said I was "working in NYC", as they saw
the caller-ID from the NYC area code.

But better yet, they'd say "How long are you staying for".  And I say "In NYC?
Forever.."

They'd freak out and beg me to come back.. haa, funny how fear of loss puts
these flakes in line.  I didn't call them for 3 weeks, and then it seemed
realistic I was never coming back.

I'll post more on flakes later.

btw, I'm still using that "I hate you" as a way to re-initiate sets, and I'm
loving it.  Here are some routines I've got going lately:

IMPROV GAME IVD (true story):

"I sat in on this improv class with my actor friend yesterday.  (Then I
describe it in detail in a cool way)  Yeah it was just for fun.  So we did this
exercise where we have to make scenarios in these two seats, and carry out the
convo in role playing."  Then I do the same criticism on their roleplaying as
the teacher there did, which was basically not to stall the convo on a boring
topic, but to bring it somewhere, and also to act out the situational stuff and
make it believable, not stupid.

Then I add the "Accumulate ticks".  You do a tick (like an arm twitch), and
then keep doing the improv and add a second, third, fourth, fifth tick, until
you can't do it anymore.

Funny, and I like it because it helps her to qualify herself to you -> she can
actually demonstrate that she's smart and fun to you.


TRUST TEST IVD:

Good addition to the "Best friends Test"

Say "You're taking the trust test".  Then say "Give me your hands", and put
your palms up for her to take them.

1- Squeeze her hands.  If she squeezes back, she passes.

2- Lower your hands, and if she follows with her hands, she passes.

Then TELL her if she passed or failed, and then she'll say "No No No, I DO
trust you!" and then she'll always be RESPONSIVE to kino-tests from then on
(notice that these are FUNDAMENTAL IOI kino-tests, but I'm just working them
into a routine.. btw, for guys who aren't using those kino IOI tests, where the
fuck have you been??  They're one of the most important parts of game)

I also follow that up with the "Tension Test" IVD, which is just me doing the
massage maneuvre (another of my most useful kino tricks, that I posted about
alot last month, where I run my fingers up her back and massage her down).
Then I tell her things about her based on how she reacted to the move, but its
not structured, and I just bullshit it.

Interesting escalation though:
-best friends test
-trust test
-tension test

POW!



-TD

PS: I'm in NYC right now, back on the JAP BUSTING track.. I PU'ed some little
JAP last night just making her qualify herself to me that she's a real
Manhatten JAP.

[The Archiver]

Date Posted: 2003/08/30 12:17:00 AM EDT
Author: Style <unknown email address>
Subject: Instant Interactive Value Demonstrations

Just read TD's post, more awesome shit. Still can't believe I've hung
out with that dude twice but still never actually sarged with him to
witness his game first-hand. It feels very reassuring to KNOW that
this stuff works if you put in the commitment that TD and Papa have.
In the meantime, as he mentioned in his post, here's what I've been
into lately:

Since I've gotten into this game, I've come up with a lot of stuff
that is regularly used - probably over-used - in the community. And I
think that the reason is that because, although I'm pretty good at
this by now, I have a strong aversion to failure. Who doesn't, right?
Nobody wants to fail. Nobody wants to crash and burn. Not even as
"practice" or "experience."

     So everything I've come up with since I started this bizarre
journey has been tweaked to ensure the MOST and EASIEST success. When
I first met Mystery, he suggested using as an opener, "Do you think
spells work?" That was it. Where can you go from there? So I made up
the Spells story, which is true by the way. I'm not a big fan of the
Elvis opener either, so I made up others that were just very easy and
interactive and almost rejection-free. Things like Dental Floss,
Jealous Girlfriend, etc.

      The next step after you open is to get IN. And this is what my
post is about. I want 100 percent tight game, and too many guys just
trust luck (finding a receptive girl who shows interest or just
automatically continues the conversation).

      No sarge can even properly begin until you HOOK the girl. In
other words, you must transform, in her eyes, from a friendly stranger
to a guy she doesn't want to leave. This means having value. That's
one of the first things I learned about in this community. So I taught
myself things like the Cube and mind-reading and runes and so on. But
those are long routines that require a woman or group's total
concentration and attention. They don't necessarily work well if used
right after the opener. (Whoah, I'm starting to get wordy and overly
basic here. Better cut to the chase before I begin to sound like the
Dating Wizard.)

      So what I've been doing now is INSTANT INTERACTIVE VALUE
DEMONSTRATIONS. If I made a living off seduction, I'd call them IVDs
and sell an e-pamphlet and seminars.(If I was Formhandle, I'd call
them "Post-pAIm pre-iso iIVD in vitro." j/k. ) These are quick ways to
naturally and casually HOOK a girl into your conversation. And they
wprk whether it's a cold approach or you're introduced to someone.
These have become CRUCIAL to my game. In fact, it hurts to give them
away because I use them ALL the time.

     What interests a stranger are things like telling her something
about herself that she doesn't know, teaching her something that
benefits her, making her laugh and have a good time, and, in general,
making her night suddenly better and more interesting than it was
before she met you. So I have about five routines I use to accomplish
all of the above QUICKLY in a fun and interactive way - unlike other
value demonstrations like, say, the wonderful ring finger pattern, in
which she just LISTENS to you expound. And they INSTANTLY make you
stand out from every other guy she's met, they make her laugh and
enjoy herself, and it's something she can talk about with others
later. Many of you even know this stuff from  your self-improvement
studies, but may not use it in your sarges.

Notice too how ALL of these can be launched into right away - and
naturally - without knowing anything about the other person.

IVD #1: Best Friend Test
Style: Okay, I have to ask: how long have you guys known each other
for? (If you think they're sisters ask, Are you guys sisters or best
friends?)
HBs: blabla
Style: See, I knew that.
HBs: How could you know that?
Style: I'll show you. In fact, I'll give you the best friend test.
HBs: (they always get excited here-they love tests for some fucking
reason)
Style: Okay…(pretend like I'm about to ask a serious question-you're
hooked, right, so you know they're already hooked)…do you both use the
same shampoo?
HBs: (look at each other, and then open their mouths to answer)
Style: Okay, the answer doesn't matter. You already passed.
HBs: ?.
Style: See, if you weren't close to each other, you'd keep eye contact
with me as you answered. But if two people have a connection, they
look at each other first. Kind of like you're doing right now.
HBs: giggle (This is where the seduction newbies you just met see you
making two strangers laugh and think you're a PUA God, LOL)
Style: See, you don't even need to say anything to each other. It's
like you just communicate telepathically.

Then, there are a million places to go from here: Often they'll just
open up and start telling you about how they met. (Now you're REALLY
in.)  If one looked at the other one first, then you say that she is
submissive and the other is dominant in the friendship. (Can be a
great neg.) If they want more, I get personal here and ask, "Has one
of you ever kissed someone the other person dated?" They fucking love
this one - but don't make it your first question. You can also use the
telepathy line to launch into a mind-reading/cold-reading routine if
you do that. You'll figure the rest of this out as you do it in the
field. It fucking rocks.

IVD #2: Cs vs Us
This one is AWESOME if you're sarging strippers and models. It's also
completely true.
Style: Smile again for me.
HB: um, okay.
Style (to wing): See, she's a U.
HB: ?
Style: I dated a girl who wanted to be a pop star. And she had a
theory that people with U-shaped smiles were perceived as unfriendly.
And people with C-shaped smiles were perceived as friendly.
HB: So what's a U then?
Style: A U is when your teeth go straight back in your mouth (can add
"kind of like a horse" if she's a SHB). A C is when there's a big row
of pearly whites in the front. And to my ex, it was more than a
theory. She actually got her teeth surgically reshaped from a U to a
C.
HB: No way.
Style: And she had me go look at pictures of like Christina Aguilera,
who is a U, and Britney Spears, who is a C. Look at the cover of Us or
any magazine, and you'll see that it's always a C smile on the cover.

From here, me and the target start inspecting the teeth of random
strangers looking for the perfect C or U. It's fun. This next section
isn't part of the IVD, but this is the rest of the routine if you want
it:

Style: It's crazy how many plastic surgeries they have for celebs now.
She had her eye makeup and her lipstick tattooed on, and when she
changed her hair color, she had her lips re-tattooed. (If the HB seems
open-minded, I continue with the following: ) And do you want to hear
the grossest thing? One day I noticed that she had two round dots on
her upper thighs. She worked out two hours a day and was super-fit,
but evidently she got lipo too. But here's what's crazy. Because she
used to work as an exotic dancer, she got the fat injected into her
labia so that she always looked aroused. (I REALLY say this to HBs.)

Then I throw in this joke, with credit going to Nightlight9: She was
from LA, and you have to be careful with them. Whenever you go out
with girls in LA, everything can be really fake.  Fake hair (point to
your hair), fake eyes (PTE), fake nose (PTN), fake teeth (PTT), fake
breasts (cup your breasts). You have to take them to the doctor first
to find out which parts are real... They put her through a machine,
and you get a print-out at the end."

IVD #3: Name Mnemonics
HB: What's your name?
Style: I'm Style.
HB: I'm Janet. This is Donna. And that's Tony.
Style: Okay…….Janet…Donna…Tony. You know, I used to be really bad with
names.
HBs: Omigod, I'm so bad with names.
Style: But you don't have to be anymore. Here, I'll show you in two
seconds. All I do when I'm introduced to you is make a picture in my
head. So if you're Janet, I picture you with the head of Janet from
Three's Company. No offense. And for Donna, I just picture like the
dawn, and the sun rising over your head. And for Tony, I see you on
the front of a box of Frosted Flakes. Here, I'll show you.

Now, in the old days, I'd have them memorize my whole name: First,
Middle, and Last. But it came off as too gimmick-y. Now, I grab my
wing, or a stranger in the club (like another girl I want to meet) and
teach them how to memorize his/her First, Middle, and Last name. Learn
about mnemonics if you don't know this. But for it to work, you MUST
have them really SEE the picture in their minds. It also becomes fun
testing them later in the sarge to see if they still remember.

The theory behind these IVDs is that sometimes it's enough value to a
6 or 7 to be cocky/funny or deeply spiritual or in a high sexual state
or use great pattern language, but not always. On their own they're
not enough to consistently GRAB someone's attention right away. So you
can still do all that -- be cocky/funny, be sexual, use pattern
language, whatever -- AS you are being interesting, extraordinary,
fun, and better than the competition. You are displaying INSTANTLY
that you are a KEEPER.

There are more of these routines. Let me know if you want them. And,
please, share yours. But this should keep you busy for a while.

Style

[The Archiver]

TRANSEXUAL FINGERS IVD

So here is the transexual fingers IVD, for your enjoyment. This is
massively fieldtested, and works GREAT. If you go out and use this I
would be interested to hear how it goes, and how you modify it to
suit your style.

TRANSEXUAL FINGERS IVD

"Hey, get this. I was just talking to my friend in San Francisco and
we had a really interesting conversation. He was telling me how to
tell the difference between a real girl and a transexual. He goes
to like the really hip trendy clubs in San Fran, so there is a lot of
mixing between gay people and straight people. That's the culture
there. He said that the most reliable indicator of a trnasexual is
the fingers. Other things can be faked-you can get surgery to
reduce the Adam's Apple, you can get breast implants, you can wear a
corset to alter your waistline. But you can always tell a girl from
a guy by the fingers."

They will usually ask at this point, but if not then you can say "let
me show you. Give me your hands."

On men, the ring finger is usually longer than the index finger
(demonstrate with your fingers), but on girls it is different.

(note: you can do a kino IOI test here. Your hands are on top of
hers so you can show her your fingers. When you start to tell her
how girls are different, lift your hands upwards. If she follows
with her hands, that is a major IOI).

"My friend said that on girls the fingers are usually even, or the
index is slightly longer. The longer ring finger is an indicator of
more testosterone."

Now, depending on what her fingers look like, you can bust on her for
being too masculine, too feminine, or too normal. Some of the things
I like to say:

(Masculine Fingers) "Uh oh, you've got man hands. You're not a
tomboy, are you?" This is especially funny if she is way feminine.
You can continue with "I think I'm going to call you Punky Brewster."

(Normal Fingers) "Okay, your fingers are...normal. Wow, that's
boring. I don't know if I should be talking to you. You seem cool,
but I like girls who are more badass. Are you adventurous?"

(Feminine Fingers)You have feminine fingers. Which would explain the
XYZ-about her appearance." Then stack. (I don't have the best
response for this yet. Input please)

Enjoy, but please don't overuse it in Tucson. Thank you,

Chris

[The Archiver]

Ring Finger Routine:


From mASF:

I don't have this written up but here's an outline.
If you look in a palmistry book you'll see that each of the fingers is
associated with a different Roman god (use Greek gods if you want it's all the
same shit).

The first finger is associated with Jupiter (strong and powerful, index finger
Saturn, ring finger Apollo and little finger Mercury.

Now lets creatively interpret according to what want to tell her.

There are 3 categories of qualities as I see it:

Qualities you want her to have: adventurous, spontaneous,
playful, passionate, deep connections etc.

Qualities you have: alpha male qualities etc, powerful,
strong etc.

Qualities to psychic read her and make her think you know about her: intuitive,
creative, etc

The lead in is "did you know the finger you wear a ring on can make an
important psychological statement about you..

Each of the fingers have different energies associated with them which are
associated with the different Roman Gods for example the first finger is
associated with Jupiter.. as you know was a great leader... for example have
you ever met someone (s.p)who was strong and powerful and could lead you into
new directions blah blah blah link alpha qualities to self.

Now pick a female quality and say associate it with say the index finger.. e.g.
you could tell her she is intuitive, Or pick the finger she is wearing the ring
on and tell her she is intuitive! The ring finger creatively change Apollo to
Venus and tell her she is capable of deep connections leads into the I/C
pattern. Can also tell her this is the only finger in her hand that has a blood
vessel that leads all the way to her heart an how they describe in the
mythology how it will feel when you meet that special person into I/C.

The pattern leads nicely into palmistry. Basically you want to think what other
patterns, challenges/qualifying you are going to use before you use all the
good (adventurous, spontaneous)qualities on this routine. If you use them in
this routine you may want to challenge her about it. Do you see that in
yourself or are you still finding a way to let it out etc.


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From Swinggcat on Cliff's list:

So, I open with the ring routine.
I say to her, “ Why do you wear your ring on that finger? She says, “I don’t
know; it just fits, why?” So I tell her that according to the Greeks she is
making a psychological statement about herself. She asks me what it means. So, I
take her hand and start rubbing her middle finger, look at her hand, then at
her, and then I cut her off by telling her, “hold on: I need to talk to my
friend for a second”. While I am talking to my friend she is waiting there like
a little eager puppy dog. Still holding onto her hand I turn back to her and
say, “where were we?” She says, “ you were telling me that wearing a ring on
this finger means something about me.” “That’s right” I say, “Well the Greeks
believed that the middle finger was the ring of Dionysus. And Dionysus was the
God of chaos. They also believed that it was the ring of Apollo who was the God
of order. So, the middle finger means that you are the sort of person that when
something comes along that you really want your emotions take over you but
before you go for it, you have to find all your own reasons.” She seems not to
buy it at first. So, I say to her, “if this isn’t true about you, then, honey,
you need to put it on another finger”. She says, “ no, no…actually your dead on:
I am very much so that way”. She asks me about another finger that she has a
ring on and I tell her that the Greeks believed that wearing a ring on that
finger is a sign of bisexuality. And I ask her if she likes guys or girls more.
She admits to liking girls but says that she likes men more. And I say,
“exactly, you like girls but every once in a while you need some deep
dicking”(ballsy yes, but I have never been slapped from saying this). She laughs
and agrees. Then I turn my back on her and talk to my friend for just long
enough, but not so long that she gets up and walks away.

[The Archiver]

TD's mods for Best Friends Test:

4-Hey, are you guys best friends? (wait for giggling response). OK, throughout
this interaction, you guys take on the same postures. And you have the same
facial expressions. And I think the same eyebrows..... and you know what?
Everytime you guys go to talk, or I'm talking to you, or you're talking or
whatever, you keep LOOKING AT EACHOTHER FIRST (and then point in between them,
and let them laugh, and follow up with), you know, you guys for christmas could
get eachother like little shoulder strap mirrors, so when you're separated and
apart, you could look at it like (then make funny shoulder looking motion with
funny facial expression)

[The Archiver]

ONE QUESTION PYSCH TEST ROUTINE (WILDER)

Date Posted: 2004/03/31 02:33:00 AM EST
Author: Wilder <unknown email address>
Subject: One question psych test routine

Get this, I just heard this new psychological test, it's one question, you
gotta take it...

OK, you're walking down the street and you turn down an alley. You see a
briefcase, you open it, it's full of hundreds. You look right, you look left (i
mimic this,) no one. You close it, (mimic looking right and left again,) no one
around. What do you do?

They answer.

OK, this is what you do/how you feel when someone you like asks you out! Then
playfully interpret their answer(s).

If I need to I'll say, I read it in the Enquirer, it's has to be true!

- Wilder

P.S. This test came from that book Kokology, which has tons of these
little tests like the cube. This one is short and makes a good
routine.