Wing Dynamics

[The Archiver]

TD on "How to be a good Wingman":

Researchers have found that males' testosterone levels are effected even by trivial events such as their favourite sports team winning or losing a game. Our testosterone varies depending on the level of success that we have.

Mystery calls this MOMENTUM.

Our state DRASTICALLY affects our ability to pickup girls. They pickup on it.

When I'm in a good state, I can perform at elite levels. On some *rare* occassions I've seen my game run even as tight as Mystery's.

I'll feel great, practically invincible. Cocky as ever, I feel like I can pickup any chick in the club - and I CAN.

I CAN THINK OF ALL THE *RIGHT* THINGS TO SAY. ROUTINES AND LINES ARE FLOWING OUT OF MY MOUTH EFFORTLESSLY. I AM FUNNY, SHARP, COCKY, AND ITS ALL EFFORTLESS. I AM *ON*.

Other nights, I cannot initiate a chat to save my life. SERIOUSLY, I CANNOT INITIATE A CHAT. No exaggeration. I'll try, but I'll be snubbed over and over.

Literally, no exaggeration. I get sub-AFC. This happens to me at least one out of every 5-6 times that I'll go out.

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So what causes this???

It has to do with how ALPHA you feel at the time, and the BIOFEEDBACK that you get as a result.

WHEN YOUR WING'S GAME BREAKS DOWN - PROCEDURES:

In the past, when my wingman's game had broken down, I'd stop and start running strategy and criticism on why it has occured. Try to get to the bottom of it, etc etc.

This has NEVER been helpful, and has always just made things WORSE. It never got good results.

What I've figured out now, is that GIVING ADVICE is OUT-ALPHAING your wingman.

By taking your advice, your wingman is BETA-ing himself.

Doing this in PICKUP is CATEGORICALLY DIFFERENT than in tasks such as academic work, because ALPHA STATE will DICTATE RESULTS.

In academic work, for example, you can take advice from someone, and it will improve your final draft.

However, during pickup, as you take advice, you feel beta-ed, and your results become WORSE and WORSE.

Again - taking advice during ANY other activity is EFFECTIVE, because the advice is HELPFUL.

Because the MERE ACT OF TAKING ADVICE makes you feel beta, it is UNHELPFUL. Therefore you must always AVOID giving advice to your wingman IN FIELD, and SAVE it for a post-game DEBRIEF.

It is my opinion that STRATEGY SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSED WHILE IN THE MIDST OF PLAYING THE GAME, and should be saved for a post game debrief.

THE SOLUTION:

When your wingman's game breaks down, the KEY is to AVOID talking about pickup. Realize that the SMALL AMOUNT of strategy that you can discuss will NOT change your wingman's game enough in such a short period of time to effect substantial change in his game. The SOLUTION is to TAKE A BREATHER, and just go play pool or go outside for a bite to eat or something. JOKE AROUND.
Do NOT address that his night is going poorly. AVOID it.
If he asks why, just say "dude, you're MONEY.. those chicks were defective anti-social.. do you wanna go find some NORMAL SOCIABLE CHICKS?" and then let HIM direct you back in.

LET YOUR WINGMAN TAKE CHARGE of the situation, so that he can RETURN to alpha-state.

Do NOT start offering advice, or you will BETA his state.

Do NOT tell him about all the chicks you are picking up.

Just joke around, and put him into a situation that will BOOST his state / elevate his testosterone / *whatever*.

**Get him to TAKE CHARGE in a way that is SUBTLE, so he doesn't know that you are deliberately patronizing him.

If you can prod him to do something that makes him feel alpha, he will return to alpha-state, and again become a helpful and effective wingman.

This is important of course, for 2sets and just because in general, your wingman should be social-proofing you. An ideal pair of wingmen don't cockfarm eachother out. They BENEFIT and SOCIAL PROOF eachother, because they are BOTH cool guys.

A tactic that helps with this is:

ACCOMPLISHMENT INTRODUCTIONS:

When my wingman comes in, I give him the BEST introduction possible.

"Guys guys! This is Twentysix! This is the COOLEST MUTHAFUCKA on the ENTIRE PLANET.. If you talk to this guy for even 30 seconds, you will clearly see that he is the coolest fucking guy"

Then update him on what you've been chatting the chicks about, so he can throw in his 2c.

This also sets the frame that you are more into your wing than the chicks. "Bros before hoes" mentality. Makes you seem cooler and thus more attractive to the set.

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Alpha heirarchy bullshit will dictate whether or not you pull the FINEST girls on any given night.

Take for example the parties that I'll attend. On nights when I am the coolest guy in the room, I have FULL ATTENTION, and I am the ANCHOR of the conversations. (as discussed in the post below this one).

On such a night, I WILL pull the hottest girls, or at very least have all of the attention and IOIs.

However, if a cooler/more alpha guy shows up, I will NOT have good results. I'll probably go home with nothing, or scraps.

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More on wingman tactics:

I've noticed that when I have a newbie with me, I'll usually TAKE CHARGE. I am the man. I go into sets WITHOUT THINKING. I AM ALPHA.

However, when I have an equally skilled PUA with me, I sometimes think more about results. I think too much. Will I get snubbed? Will this work? etc etc...

With a new guy, I don't have TIME to think about this stuff. I have to TAKE CHARGE of the situation.

I feel ALPHA, and chicks PICKUP on it. I have an excellent night.

[The Archiver]

Date Posted: 2004/02/18 08:11:00 PM EST
Author: The_One <unknown email address>
Subject: WING Rules 1

Wing Rules 1

I wrote these posts on Mystery’s lounge originally, but so many people,
including TD, have told me to start cross posting them for the benefit of
others out here.

It’s extremely difficult to find good wings. Firstly, you can’t really wing
with people not in the community, and secondly, you can’t even wing effectively
with many of the people in the community.

My sincere hope is that people can use these to benefit their game out there!
Here is the first “Wing Rules” post written October 2003:


WING RULES

What makes a great wingman?
This topic has been on my mind for the last few days so here is a short essay
about it. Like to get feedback on your experience.

A great wingman can increase your game to a much higher level, while a bad
wingman cause a lot of crash and burns.
However, be advised that a great PUA does not automatically a great Wingman
make.
There are guidelines and then there are tactics that are crucial to being a
great wingman.


Rules and guidelines:

A. The most basic agreement: Your wingman is the coolest, funniest, most
interesting person around.
He does not really tell bad jokes, he is never boring, and he is always the
coolest guy around.


B. The second agreement: He who opens the set controls the set.

Your wingman opens a 2-set consisting of a 6 and 9. OK, Sherlock, take a wild
guess as to which one his target is? Yes, the hotter girl.
The guy who opens the set controls the set. He is the one who put his balls on
the line to approach and open the set. The first 30 to 45 seconds are the
toughest parts of the set. The guy who opens is the one who at times fights the
butterflies, weathers the storm and takes the heat.
He is also unlocking, teasing and negging the target HB in order to soften her
up for the close or isolation. You coming in and going after the target would
be equivalent of relieving your buddy in the 10th round of a boxing match after
your buddy just softened up the opponent for 9 full rounds.




TACTICS:


*****Calibrate, calibrate, calibrate:

Before entering the set that your pal just opened, calibrate to see where he is
in the set.
Example: Are the girls locked up? You may have to go in with a false
disqualifier to help him out.
Do not enter set blindly and start spitting routines. Calibrate before making
your move.

Establish a system of communication and CALIBRATE.
If your wingman is in Rapport phase where is doing some fluff talk and
comfort building, realize it and back off. Going into the set and running
routines at this point is essentially cockblocking him. You might as well
be the fucking "Drag-away" girl at this point.

*****Communication:

One of my favorite all time wings is Dreamweaver [DW.]
DW and I have a system of communication. It's sort of like girl code,
except it's PUA code.
If DW rolls up, I'll introduce him, but then give him one of 3 different signs.
One of which mean that I am in Rapport Phase! I am comfort building. Don't come
in
with mini-cold or cocky/funny routines. Calling the girls "Power-puff" at
this point is obstructive. (Never mind the fact that I may have already used
it.)

More on communication: DW and I run a lot of the same routines. We are running
Tyler Durden's and Mystery Methods.
If he rolls up, I'll introduce the girls to him as "Hey, this one is my new
little
sister, and I am marrying this one, blha, blah....."
Translation: Little Sister and Marriage frames/routines are burnt! Do
not use them!


*****Wingman Rapport:
Do not face girls standing side to side. Face your wingman. He is cooler than
the chicks. As a matter of fact, they [Girls] should be attempting to break
into your circle of fun, and becoming part of it.
DW and I run routines that we would not be able to do solo. When we bust on the
girls (During attract phase), WE HIGH-FIVE Each other! Girls can see that we
can have fun with or without them. In fact, such antics have prompted comments
such as “You guys are having too much fun!”


*****Social proofing:
Social proof your wingman in front of his target. Tell stories about him which
he cannot tell himself.
Let’s say your wing has a certain skill or certification (i.e Great Martial
Artist, musician, real estate guru, certified hypnotist, whatever). He can’t
really talk about it because it would be bragging or qualifying himself. It
would make him look very AFC.
However, if you say it about him, it’s coming from a third party and it makes
all the difference in the world. You can even take it a step further.
Here is something I do that you can use as well:
The following champions and lionizes your wingman exponentially.
If or When your wingman steps away for a minute, brag about him in a nonchalant
way:
“Hey, did you guys know that my wingman is one of the best in such and such
field? Don’t mention it in front of him (or don’t tell him I told you that.) He
does not like to brag.”
Example:
“Did you know Mystery levitated over Niagara Falls? It was pretty awesome, etc,
etc….Don’t tell him I told you about that. He doesn’t like bragging....”

Now, how fucking cool is that?
Not only your wingman is so accomplished, but he is so damn cool, confident,
secure, and modest that he would not like it mentioned!


Lastly, many a time, Wingmen behave similar to antibodies. For those who need
to brush up on elementary biology: When foreign organisms enters the body, the
body produces antibodies which attach themselves to these invaders and destroy
them.
Great wingmen are like having these antibodies. They latch on to the obstacles
and disarm them meanwhile giving you the opportunity to work on your target.

Follow these and Ye shall be a great wingman too, one day.

The One

[The Archiver]

Date Posted: 2004/02/18 08:19:00 PM EST
Author: The_One <unknown email address>
Subject: WING Rules 2

This post was written beginning of February (couple weeks ago.)
It was inspired when I watched my Wing Playboy lose 2 girls because another PUA
[A skilled PUA!] ruin the set.
Here is Wing Rules 2 as written originally:


WING RULES – 2

A while back, I posted “Wing Rules,” which if I may say in all modesty, is one
of the best posts I have read. It is practical advice for winging and following
guidelines.

This weekend past, I had a long conversation with Playboy and I found it
amazing that the sentiments he expressed echoed my own findings in the field.
The first “Wing Rules” dealt mostly with ATTRACTION PHASE scenarios.

This second addition is for RAPPORT PHASE. I write this post out of
frustration. I find it frustrating how these mistakes are constantly made by
some of the best PUAs out in the field. Sometimes a miscalculating wing is the
worst cock-block on the planet.
You can befriend all the girls, you can befriend or AMOG the men. What do you
do with a wing who actually means well???

You have befriended all the girls, and you are involved in the middle of
playing solid game. This is the point where you envision a great “Pick-up” in
process. (I use the word pick-up loosely here.) You have IOIs and you can just
tell a venue change or an extremely solid number exchange is in order.
Furthermore, you may even like the woman because she is cool to hang out with,
and that my PUA pals, is a rare find.
Here comes your PUA pal to ruin it all....



******BE IN THE MOMENT, BE AWARE. Try to step out of your fucking head:

I have constant experience in this from another area.
What do I mean by the being aware?
Stop thinking about what routine to run next, what DHV to do next, what games
to play and what to utter so much.
Instead, lean back and observe what is happening around you. Your wing may be
receiving major IOIs from one of the girls in the group. He needs to isolate
and have a decent conversation with her. If you are too much in your head about
what routine to run next, you will completely miss what is going on around in
your current environment.
You are not a routine running machine. You are a human being with a brain....
Use it to calibrate.


***********Stimulus Kills rapport/seduction states*****

If your wing or a PUA pal is in rapport phase, do him a favor: Stay the fuck
away.
Do not provide stimulus that will distract the girl. This is a state killer.
There is no other better way of saying it.

It’s like when TD talks about that “OutKast” song being played and the girls
running to dance floor. In that case, that song is the stimulus that is the
state killer.
Providing stimulus of any kind will force your wing’s girl out of Rapport and
Seduction States.


*******Stop engaging the whole group in rapport phase******

This ties directly to providing stimulus.
If your wing is receiving IOIs from a girl, let him isolate. You engage the
other(s) girls who interest you. Engaging the whole group is now destructive to
the pick-up.
Your wing needs some quiet time. I saw Playboy lose 2 girls this past weekend
because of this exact mistake in two different sets. The girl liked him a lot
and he was trying to transition into rapport and isolation. The other PUA
constantly ran attraction routines/stories for the whole group. The guy would
not shut up.
Result: Blow out for everyone. Playboy is not able to isolate girl giving him
IOIs.
Girls’ circuits are fried. They don’t have any comfort and this dancing monkey
entertainment gets old eventually.

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Lastly, once again, if your wing is cuddling with a girl or have a deep rapport
conversation, stay the fuck away. It’s advice any AFC would know, and yet most
PUAs are blind to it.

Should you circle the bar and see your wing in rapport with a girl, social
proof him and leave. You can say something light and cute, “Hey this guy is one
of the coolest guys I know in this entire town. Just making sure he is happy.
Keep him entertained. I’ll be back in a while, but when I get back, I want to
see him smiling!”
The girl giggles, plays along and I leave. It’s that simple.
Real life example: This was the case last weekend at the Standard when I saw
Playboy engaged in a 20 minute conversation in the patio area of the Standard.
I said something that resembled the comments above and left.
Did he need me to stand there and run routines? No. Did he need me to stand
there at all? No.
Obvious? Yes! Do most PUAs follow this guideline? No.


One thing is for sure: It’s very difficult to find good complete wings who can
observe situations, calibrate, know when to step in and when to disappear, know
when to social proof you, and also give you advice on how you could have
improved something from a third person perspective.

The One

Ps. Nothing is theorized here. Everything is based on doing extensive amounts
of sets, and massively field tested in all sorts of conditions.

[The Archiver]

Chessclub writes on mASF:

Here 's a good code that we use for when one person has opened a set while you weren't there and you need to enter:

You walk up and say, "Have you seen *enter random name here* (we use Carlos or Bill)?"
The person who opens says, "no" you turn to walk away and just as you do the opener pulls you back and says, "Wait. I want you to meet my new friends (or new little sister, or whatever)."
Then you're in.

[adrock]

This is a fucking incredible thread.

[asmokindeal]

Wow, Great article.  I've had countless night trashed by wings with the best of intentions.

I used to Lone Wolf exclusively for probably my first 200 sets and I loved it after I got used to it.  My best nights were lone wolf nights.