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Offline Vex

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« on: November 30, 2005, 01:00:20 AM »
Ok, Well I'm fully resigned to doing this.  Starting Saturday (cause it makes measuring time easier) My goal is to just approach at least 5 or 6 sets a day.  Also to help kill the anxiety I'm going to make it a point to confirm ahead of time I have no intention of closing the sets, it's just to get practice with my openers.  Anyone who's interested at going out either Saturday or Sunday night, send me a PM (I live in Tempe), having another person there and a set meeting time and place will help make sure we don't just blow off the whole idea.  

As far as an opinion opener, can someone help me with this one

Me: Hey guys, let me ask you a quick question.  My buddy has a roomate who is extremely into his girl, and they spend almost all their time together.  Now I personally think thats a sure sign of neediness issues, but that's beside the point.  Anyway's he wants to confront them both tomorrow and demand that she either start helping with the bills or she has to be limited to no more than 3 nights a week over.  

Them: bla bla bla

Me: ok, well actually before I go let me ask you this...
I figure what the he should do is tell his roomate that he is responsible for the bills she builds up and that the roomate either has to fork over the extra cash for food, water, etc..., or deal with her being over so much.  That way he's not directly getting involved in their personal realtionship and let's the roomate figure it out.

Them: bla bla bla

Me: Yah well he says he feels bad because the roomie will most likely pay the extra without even approaching her about it, cause he's so worried about losing her.  I say if he's that insecure it's his problem anyway and you might be doing him a favor in the long run, and if not.. who cares, it's not your problem.

Them: agree or disagree (probably will agree)

Me: alright thanks (since I'm practicing opening, leave instead of escalating)

I think this will leave open room for plenty of good debate, negs, etc..  plus I know I can deliver congruently cause the friend is me :).  So any advice on how to make this better or if there's anything wrong with it?

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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2005, 01:35:48 AM »
uhm ..its to logical it sounds like you are taking a survey. The opener should be interesting , short and fun. The follow up story has to be funny , relavant , emotional and short. Your opener has nothing out of these categories. Its also not rooted so in the back of their minds while you are talking they will think " ...uhm who is this guy and why is he asking us this shit".

here is some shit to get you started, ill make shit up as i type

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..hey guys, i need your opinion realy quick do you think i should get a mohawk/blue hair/white hair  ?

they: blah blah

hahah, i knew you would say that , so i was sitting on the couch yesterday watching tv when i hear this wierd noice outside. I go and take a look and i see this punkish looking guy with mohawk/blue hair/white hair fighting with a guy who seems like he lived in a sewer for the past 5 years. I feel like i should help someone but i dont know who. So i just standed there and watched ..[pause]  ..i mean what would you do

they : call the cops or blah blah
you: exactly but NO !! i just stand there and watched until this crazy bitch showed up she looks sort of like you (<talk about a neg) ..


...meh i am tired its 2:35am here .. someone finish this shit for me. But you should get the idea.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2005, 03:35:43 AM »
You made this one on the spot? Very creative you are, skynet, I am impressed.
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2005, 11:32:18 AM »
That's great!

Usually I don't like an opener where I say "Should I (dye hair etc..) ?" because I would be qualifying myself and caring what they thing rather than deciding for myself BUT you take it away because you really aren't talking about your own hair, and the girls realize this. And its a wild picture that you paint.

And you go into banter right away.
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2005, 01:18:34 PM »
That makes a lot of sense, thanks sky.  The mohawk idea is awesome.  I'm tempted to just use that but I really want to try and create my own, so I'll think on it a little more.

Ok here's where I'm thinking of taking this one now

opinion: what's worse, sleeping with a good friends ex or sleeping with a good friends current crush

Root: In the bar and these girls started screaming at each other, and I was completely confuse about which one was in the right.  One slept with the others ex, but the reverse is the other slept with ones crush earlier.  Throw in a dumb guy with a mullet to add to the comedy.


the only problem is trying to throw a neg in there that won't go to far.  I'm still wotking on the cocky comedy/neg stuff.  Any advice?

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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2005, 05:42:44 PM »
ok, thats good to know.. Hopefully I'll get a chance to get out and try these tomorrow, but if not there's party coming up on Saturday I'm going to where there should be plenty of opportunity.  I'll post my results as soon as I've tested it out.  Thanks for the advice Mojo.

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2005, 01:15:24 AM »
Vex, so have you tried out openers?
If not, don't be ashamed to admit it, I have a plan, which MAY help you to get the ball rolling.
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2005, 02:01:17 AM »
I've tried only a few times and they went pretty badly and my anxiety I'm sure was clear.  99% of the time though, anxiety takes over and I talk myself out of it.  So basically no I haven't.  I'd definatly like to hear your ideas.

**added later**

ok, so my friends girl is celbrating her 21st and we're all going out tonight.  It may be a problem because one of the guys coming out is one who I've seen in action and has horrible game but looks.  So he is always getting 6's or 7's.  No big deal for me as long as he doesn't try barging into my sets.  Even if I was good at AMOGing, this guy is with my group, so let's keep our fingers crossed with that.

Her's the opinion opener I'm gonna use.  I'll see how it works, though if anyone see's anything wrong with it let me know, I can revise it for when I go out saturday.
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Me: Hey ladies, let me get a quick opinion.  What is worse, sleeping with your friends ex, or sleeping with your friends current crush.

Them: (answer)

Me: Thats what I thought too, I'm glad your on the same page as me.  ..I can only stay a minute but here's the story... I was in a bar the other night in Mesa with my friend and this Woman get's up and starts screaming "you slut, you slept with him just because I wanted him".. Meanwhile this guy with the king of all mullets is sitting there with a stupid toothless grin.  Then the other one screams "That's what you get for &^%$in" ....whatever his name was.

Them: (hopefully they add more seeing as how one did the other wrong first, If not I'll see if they think one justifes the other)

Me: The they go out side and just start batting at each other and ripping tearing at each others clothes.  Meanwhile mullet boy is just watching and laughing, and I was like "wow, this is like white trash girls gone wild"  

If this works I may try escalating a few a bit more, I can do pretty good cold readings and have a few magic tricks, though I'm still kind of confused in that area.. my goal is just to practice approaching and have a good time tonight however.

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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2005, 11:53:03 PM »
If you can approach, just keep doing this, my advice would only hurt you now.
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2005, 02:16:21 AM »
ok, well I'm back.  And it did not go well at all.  I went to Maloneys and Dos Gringos and both places were festered with sausage and girls who were far from attractive.  The only exception was two cute girls that were sitting alone, but I hesitated and never approached, and by the time I resolved to do it, they were sorrounded by a group of guys.  The only other girls that I saw (only twice) that appealed to me were sorrounded by guys, and I honestly didn't know what to do.

I know that I could have approached the girls that had guys around them, but I really don't know what to do in those situations.

I'm ot gonna lie guys, I'm very lost with all this stuff.  I know the general practice of being a PUA, and could probably even tell people what to do that would work, but for some reason when I'm actually out there.  I'm at a complete loss.  

I'll try again tomorrow at a party I'm heading to, but I really need to get to know some guys who are good with this stuff to help me along and go out with.

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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2005, 11:27:43 AM »
your second opener is much better and if delivered rigth should be give you good results. Dont worry about the guys, like mystery said they are just ugly girls. Aproach them and befriend them and if the guys are not afc but naturals see if you can befriend them and make them follow you (become ceneter of attention). If a girl trys to talk to you while you are befriending the guys neg them and make fun of them. If the guys start to make fun of you that means they are trying to amog you, in that case amog them back otherwise to go around amoging people.

once you enter the club you should be in a set within 3 seconds. It doesnt matter if its all guys or even ugs. To others it will look like they are your friends since no one just randomly aproaches people. So you get in aproach random group of people start running game on them. It shouldnt matter if there are girls there or not. Eject after 10 minutes and go to the next one, slowly work your way up to the group with hot girls. If you are opening everyone from the start it will look to the girls that you are just bieng friendly and open everyone. The key thing is to have fun. Also dont think about the game at all or analize each set (you can do that when you get home). Before you walk in think things through, select openers to use and the strategy then put everything on auto pilot get in and let go of it.

Remember that the worst thing that can happen is you get kicked out for harassing people or something but i really dought that ..
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2005, 01:30:06 PM »
Well thought I'd write and update pm what happened this saturday for anyone interested.  I took Skynets advice when I walked into the party and immediatly approached and started conversations with the group I saw first.  But at first it wasn't going well.  So I decided to take the advice of what I read in Mystery's book so far and took control of the scene.  The cute girl there who was my target (and everyone else's) was involved in a drinking card game and I knew that everyone there, including the poor guy leaning all over her next to her, was trying to game her.  

I'm not gonna go through all the ridiculous details but I sat in at the game and took over, playing the alpha of the group.  It worked amazingly.  Eventually all bodies were faced towards me, all guys who weren't threatened by me, stuck around while the others left.  Basically to do this, all I did was speak strong, have a very "I'm here" type of personality, and slight but polite AMOGing of the guys trying to boss me around.  As far as the target, I became the leader of the group and the advice everyone says worked flawlessly.  I would be lying if I said she was all over me but she was definatly fighting for my attention as was her friend.  I didn't outright Neg her either, I did it more suttle by only really kind of looking her direction when she talked, giving her one or two word answers while talking alot to her friends.  

flash forward later on and she's pulling me aside, asking me to take shots with her.  and giving me individual attention, I didn't even have to try and pull her aside, she pulled me aside.

The bad news is I didn't really know how to escalate this from her starting to be confortable with me.  It was just do to lack of knowledge, but I think I played the game up to the point I know very well.  I could have closed her had I known how to progress it correctly.  Also I tried my opinion opener, though I didn't quite use it as an opener and the results were pretty good, though I still need to use it more before I say it's a good one or not.

So here's in a very quick nutshell what I did to neg and then win to the point I did.

1) Immediatly negged her on her first words to me.  She found out I do magic and she said Show me the levitaion trick.  I said "wow, your demanding, and went back to the game.. I had shown her after as a reward for good behavior.. hehehe
2) Immediatly became the "everybody guy" in the house
3) When people started looking to me for leadership, I lead
4) as I started to speak to her more, I was giving her the idea She was winning me over, not the other way around.

Finally towards the end of the night, I kind of backed off a bit not really knowing what to do.  Then the other Alpha Male came in and started to take the crowd, and there was a silent and polite but probably obvious fight for control.  This guy was good, but I one, only by acting like he was still under me.   So I definatly learned a lot from this one night, though not a successful night to most people, I feel a couple steps ahead from what I was before.. so I'll take it.

Also, I developed a new rapport building, fun magic trick that I made up on the spot last night that worked great.  I used in with this girl (HB 7.5 by the way) and in gave definatly gave her a feeling of having the "in" as opposed to everyone else.  If you don't want to use ith with the girl though, it's also a cool game you can play with your wing to show to sets you approach.  I'll post this in the techniques section.

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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2005, 04:06:54 PM »
great, i love to see your progress .. party game is the weakest part of my game heh, yesterday i went to some party and wasnt in the state so instead of doing what you did i just chated to people and wasnt center of attention.

escolation is easy, once you see IOIs start kinoing her more isolate her to the couch and start vibing with the girl, get her to qualify to you , do a kino hand holding test or a venue change (this is basicly a compliance test ..)  if she passes, then out of the blue ask if she wants to kiss you .. make out , venue change, bridge ,set day2  ..etc.
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2005, 05:20:22 PM »
Sounds good, I was reading up on that part today in Venusion Arts.  It seems simple enough, I just have to get a set pattern and stick with it to start off instead of improvising and leaving myself lost like I did last night.

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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2005, 02:41:51 PM »
well I learned just how important state of mind is when running game.  If you're tired, out of it, whatever.. don't go out, at least if you're new like me.  I went to a party on Wednesday and my game was the best it ever been.  I made a point to walk up and talk to everyone.  I had 3 different girls in different sets interested in me.  reversed one girls bitch shield (she was mad about a previous cocky-funny line I trhew at her, so I immediatly turned it around and said "oh please don't tell me you have no sense of humor, next thing you know she was qualifying to me again).  At one point a girl I had run game on, then left came over to me and told me to sit down.  I don't remeber exactly how I did it but I basically said something along the lines of "I don't respond to commands, just polite requests".  She said, "well then, I guess you don't get to sit with me, I'm leaving" So I just kinda gave a slightly dissapointed but whatever type shrug (at her behavior) ... she literally walked to the door, turned around, walked back.. and started kissing me.  SO nothing was perfect, got 1 # close but basically I only had a very little bit of organized game.. but hey, progress is great.

The next night I went to a bar with a bunch of girls I know, and my game was so off from being beat.  I literally blew two opportunities in that set cause my brain was too drifting and out of it.  So the moral of the story is, if you are in the mood.. your game is on.. go for anything.  If you're not, don't pressure yourself and don't put yourself in an opportunity to blow prospects.