I would agree with this .But when I use SS, I have yet to use the sexual amp type of pattern language, just things like age regression (to little girl), natural women, etc. and get powerful reactions. So I am confused on how they get aroused by this.
They don't get aroused by this. You are creating comfort, connection, and being an authority on her world with this. which can also create some attraction. when you screen for the most SS responsive women then sometimes this type of connection is all that is required for her to feel strongly attracted/connected to you and she will not flake.
The question is, how do you build a foundation where she feels comfortable with these feelings and won't flake? I usually fluff talk for a while to build some comfort, but evidently that is not enough.
Fluff talk is USELESS! If anything it's only purpose is to fractionate from a trance state, be it connection, sexual, deep rapport, or something else. Then fluff talk is a good pull away and fractionation technique. However, it would be better to remove all fluff talk. If fractionation is required then use a value conveying routine (story) instead. Or perhaps transition into an elicitation question.
This is frustrating because I know some pua's like toecutter/David Shade and Rick H who use palmistry and they don't seem to have these problems..I know both of these puas go right into an ss style palmistry sarge (oftentimes immediately) upon meeting the HB and don't seem to run into problems
I would guess that these PUA's have much more going on during their interaction to complement just going right into heavy SS. TD makes the differentiation between DEEP Rapport and WIDE Rapport, and I'll talk about that a little later on. What other aspects do these PUA have to make SS successful? Here is a list of possibilities:
1) A stong frame
2) Alphamale characteristics that are conveyed through; body language, gesture, manerisms, tone of voice, etc. See the thread in Techniques and Methods, called "Types of guys and how they do with women" (
http://arizonapua.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=167) especially Tyler's post on "10 Alpha behaviours"
3) They screen for the right type of women
4) Somehow they are also conveying higher value/status
5) Congruence and confidence with what they are doing
All PU methods are very context specific. What social settings are these PUA's effective in with this approach? I really believe that they highly screen for responsive targets, otherwise they play numbers until they find a responsive target.
Deep Rapport vs Wide Rapport:Deep rapport is when you meet someone and you really don't know them that well, but you get into a really in depth convo about say one specific topic. Wide rapport is when you connect and have commonalities on many, on a wide range, of topics.
For example (courtesty of TD), you go looking in car dealerships to buy a car. You spend 1 hour talking with the salesperson mainly about the car, and the buying process. You have good rapport and you like this person. Then 1 week later you this person out socially and yet you don't say hello because you feel awkward. You had very deep rapport, but only in one area, and this makes us uncomfortable. Another example would be to see a teacher out socially. Again you only know the teacher in the context of school, Deep rapport in one specific area.
Example of wide rapport. You meet someone out socially, and you just click and get into a good rapport. Perhaps because you like the same football team. However, during your 1 hour conversation you transition into a whole range of topics and have commonalities in many more areas. This is wide rapport. The next time you see this person you feel comfortable... like you know them.
Let's relate this back to heavy SS without any foundation. Would you consider this to be Deep or Wide rapport? It is Deep rapport. Now, to be true to SS I could say that SS is all about flexibility and using what works. Most people though use SS to create Deep rapport only, and they do so without a solid foundation, without screening for highly responsive/suggestible women, and without starting off by conveying higher value (or alternatively by starting of with effectively breaking her initial shielded state/frame.)
How I use SS:1) Remember Flexibility at all times. Use what works and use her responses as a guide.
2) Break her shielded frame/state and convey higher status.
3) Use elements of SS throughout the conversation. Pepper pattern language to get her creating images in her mind. I may want her to have a sexual thought about me. I may want her to picture us together laughin 6 months from now. I may eleicit a desired state at some point and use a spacial anchor to amp it.
4) Use sexual sub-communication. C&F, switch the frame to mis-interpret her seducing me.
5) Use value conveying routines
6) Transition to many topics with the intent of creating Wide rapport
---- transition into Comfort and Trust ----6) Use heavier SS to create deeper states of connection, sexual excitement, etc.
7) Fractionate, and bait her to chase you.
I hope that this helps. Using SS, or any other method is very different in the field to reading about it. To make any method work effectively requires a LOT of in-field practice to refine the nuances of your sub-communication. When I was first getting into SS about 2 years ago, a sargy wing in the Bay Area would do some amazing stuff with SS but always get flakes. Often times the HB would freak out as soon as her state was borken and would leave the set and avoid him afterwards.
He wouldn't open sets. He would join sets that I had opened. Then he would go right into palmistry, and within 5 minutes have her really sexually amped. he proved that SS does work to create intense sexual states in someone. But if that's all you do then if will usually not get you anywhere.
In Mystery's new model he talks about how with everything in life there is a Beginning, a Middle, and an End. So it is true with a seduction or with the Venusian Arts as he calls it. He talks about how when a seduction fails that it's usually because one of the steps was missed out. (Get Mystery's eBook when it comes out it goes through this and MUCH more in great detail. I've seen a preview when I was in Project Hollywood last.)
Beginning = Meet & Attraction
Middle = Comfort & Trust
End = Seduce & Sex
If you follow the sequencial progression of the seduction you should pass from the Meet location, where you create Attraction, through to C&T (venue changes and isolations/mini-isolation), and end with Sex at the seduction location (your house/bed).
Problems occur if you meet an HB and go straight into Seduce. Read my comments earlier about why SS fails in my Troubleshooting questions.
Problems occur if you Meet and generate good attraction, but then skip C&T and go right into Seduce.
Problems occur if you Meet and generate good attraction, but sat in C&T. You become the friend. Similarly if you start with C&T.
J-Dog.
