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I noticed a pattern recently about how I implement habits.
Here is how I implement a habit.

Usually I’ll get some idea of some over the top thing that I want to accomplish.

So maybe I weigh 120 pounds and I want to make the college football team. Or maybe I’ve had failing grades all through high school and I want to get in to the best college. Or maybe I can’t get a girlfriend and I decide to be a PUA. I have tons of these.

First I will get an idea of what I’m trying to accomplish and what will be involved.

I have the general principle that while I’m not that smart, I know that most other people aren’t that smart either. Or rather, its not that people aren’t that smart, but just that most people walk through life in a trance and generally don’t break out of their habits. They just listen to what other people tell them and aren’t willing to look at the finer details of things, so it is easy to get to the top of any field if you are willing to do that. Everyone thinks that there are all these conspiracies and super ways that people do things, but usually the top guys are just as disorganized as the average dudes on the street. It’s like kids at top colleges who pay six figures to attend school. You’d think that they’d show up to class, but they don’t show up any more than the kids in cheaper schools. Human habit is human habit. I figure that there is pretty much no limit of what level I can reach so long as I have an idea of what the top level looks like. In fact, I assume that I can surpass it before I even start.

From there, I decide what I’ll have to do to get to that point. I figure how long it will take, and the habit that I’ll have to integrate on a DAY TO DAY.

This is what I consider PROACTIVE and LOGICAL reasoning. I don’t wait until some girl dumps me to start going out when I’m emotionally compelled, and then stop going out when I feel better about myself. That is REACTIVE.

Instead, I figure to myself, “Alright, I have to go out 3-7 nights a week for around three years. Fine.”

At that point I FULLY ACCEPT that this is what I will be doing. I also am unlikely to change my plans, as I tend to think that if I can’t trust myself to stick to one area then I can’t trust myself to stick to my next area, so there if I’m going to be like that then there’s no point in even starting anything.

The big thing for me, is that I will get out there whether the conditions are ideal or not. So if I’m not dressed properly, I will still get out there. If I’m not feeling well, I’ll just go out for a bit and come home to keep the habit. I do the same thing in the gym if I have not slept properly or if I am busy or sick. If I know that I’m too tired to get a good workout I’ll still show up and push through it. If I’m too busy then I’ll just rush through it and won’t worry about eating before or after. And if I’m sick then I’ll at least show up to the gym and stretch.

I don’t think about these things. I just accept them.

Now the big thing when you start something new is that progress is going to be non-existent at first and will go up in a j-curve if you can make it through the initial pain. Most people quit because starting something is REALLY hard and usually feels directionless for a long time. The guys who make it through that initial part will eventually get to a level where progress is really fast and noticeable, and for them it will become a hobby and fun. But at first it is purely banging your head against the wall to make the most minuscule advancements. Not fun.

So in an area like pickup, if you are starting off as a total dork like I was then it is pretty much going to be zero progress for a few months. You will go out and people will be really unresponsive and hard on you. It won’t change for a long time either, because the more you’re getting rejected the more you’re feeling shitty. The only plus side is that you’re learning that you won’t die, which is actually pretty important.

When you start anything, whether sports or dance or music, it will probably be pretty embaressing and painful. You’ll be around people who have it all figured out, and their neural connections will be fine tuned from what seems like infinite repetition. You’ll see this, and it will just give you a headache. Literally, for me, I see this kind of thing and I feel nauseous because it is so intimidating.

The way I get through it is literally BLIND FAITH. I will figure out what the basic training is and do it OVER AN OVER, regardless of whether or not I get a result.

A big part of this is that I have NO OUTCOME for a very long time. My only outcome is to get my ass out of the house and to wherever I’m supposed to be. My criteria for success isn’t how well I did. It’s IF I SHOWED UP and did what I was supposed to do. My expectations of myself are very low.

I read posts on here about guys in the field for six months and frustrated that they aren’t getting results, and I really don’t relate to why they’re finding this to be unusual. When I took my first workshop I was getting laid, but I had a major social fear of clubs and my goal was to learn how to game girls in that environment. It took me a few months to get my first club makeout but I never thought anything of it. It wouldn’t have occurred to me to be one of these guys who comes on a month later and says “I still haven’t gotten laid.” I was told that it would take me six months to get “passably not lame,” and I took that at face value. There was no way after I spent all that time and money that I wasn’t going to go out and do what the guy told me to do. That would have devalidated the whole thing. To be honest, although I learned a lot on the program, I couldn’t remember shit afterwards because the whole thing was shocking like a whirlwind. The big thing I took from it was INSPIRATION and CONFIRMATION THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE. That was ALL I needed to get good.

First I learned how to open in a club environment. OK, got that. Then how to hook attention for thirty seconds. Ok, got that. Then how to tell stories. OK, got that. Then how to tease and create sexual tension. OK, got that. Then how to get a number. OK, got that. Then I realized they all flaked. OK, scrap everything, back to the drawing board. Then how to deliver it better. OK, got better reactions. Then how to slow it the fuck down to get the same reactions without being a dancing monkey. OK, got that. Each of these took weeks or months at a time.

The process went on for years, but now I have the exact result that I want.

Guys say to me “Wow, you had such dedication” and I can’t relate to that. To me, that’s like telling a kid who goes to play basketball after school for a few years that he has dedication. It wasn’t dedication. It was a routine. A habit. A hobby. I made the time for it in my life, and I never worried about how well I was doing. I assumed with blind faith that everything would take care of itself if I just kept going out and meeting people to get advice on how I was doing.

Jlaix and I were talking, and he was like “Dude, my skills are in like the stratosphere lately. It’s getting so good it’s scary.” I was like “Think about it. Remember back in the day when we were dorks, and we were like ‘all we have to do is go out for six months and we’ll be decent’? Six months seemed like forever back then, but now six months breezes by like its nothing, and every time that happens our skills are going up at the same rate that they were back in the day. The improvement keeps compiling and that’s why these results are showing up.”

If you think back to the last six months or a year, it seems like nothing. That time passes so fast. You get older and decades start to fly by.

When you implement a habit, you’re thinking about the outcome and how hard the training is. So you go through the one night and because its one of your first nights you remember every detail and it seems like a lifetime. And then you think “Six more months of THIS? Or a YEAR?!”

But that’s the wrong thinking. If you’re thinking like that there is no way you’ll get anywhere. The point is to just keep going out and not try to get results. Just go out and do your exercises and it will come naturally. Don’t think of it as “Six more months.” Think “This is what I’m doing now. My day consists of this now. This is my lifestyle.”

To me, it comes down to this: 1-Get an idea of what you want. 2-Formulate a plan of how often you need to show up to get there. 3-Accept that your new activity is a part of your life for the duration of the time you’ve decided, and never decide based on emotions if you’re going to show up or not. Just show up. 4-Don’t worry if you’re getting results, just stick to the plan with blind faith, and make your criteria for success just to show up. 5-Make it a hobby, look at the details critically without taking advice dogmatically, and take the initiative to shift the focus of your training when your intuition tells you that it might help.

Don’t focus on chasing outcome. Focus on sticking to habits. Make your criteria for success if you stuck to the habit.

Anyway, hopefully that was helpful to some people. Tyler Durden

Women will discover the truth about what guys go through to learn how to become the type of man that they are attracted to. Men, whether in the seduction community or not, will discover truly amazing insights into the social dynamic that has to take place in order for women to feel attraction for you, or as they like to call it, “chemistry.” In fact I am actually concerned about some of these techniques getting out to the general public.

So what makes me such an expert you might ask? Well, if you haven’t guessed already I am a member of this so called `secret society,’ of this seduction subculture, and have been through my own similar journey as described by Neil (Style) in this book. I was in fact one of the founding members of Project Hollywood (PH), and met with Neil at Chicken A-Go-Go in LA to discuss the original PH financial plan along with Papa. Many of the characters in this book are personal friends of mine. I vouch for it’s validity of both plot line and of effectiveness of the seduction tactics.

Does this make me biased? Yes I am biased! Ideally I would like most of the information in this book to never be published for the general public. So then why give it 5 stars? Simply, this is a great book. A book about some truly interesting people and situations, about life problems and how they can be overcome, and if nothing else just an unusually enjoyable read.

Skeptical? Then listen to Neil speak at one of his book signings, and see for yourself what a truly sincere and exceptional individual he is.

Style learnt from Mystery

Neil Struass, who has been referenced by the media as the world’s greatest pickup artist learnt from Mystery, and some say that his entire game is based upon the Mystey Method.

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Whether or not the theory is accurate I don’t care because in practice it works. Tyler’s theory is that women are naturally sexual creatures and they instinctually want to mate with alphamales. However, through social programming they feel that if they follow these urges they are a S-L-U-T. Therefore, subconsciously, when they feel their buying temp raising, and feel themselves losing control they will do everything possible to pull themselves out of state. The theory makes sense to me, and I even discuss topics like this with women…. BUT I will state again that really what matters is how effective this is when put into practice.

There are also points of opportunity for progressing the sarge (phase shifting) as this buying temp escalates.

AMOGs know what raises a woman’s buying temp, and they know what shut’s it down. I doubt that any of them truly understand why, but they know it works. The main way that an AMOG snaps her out of state is to pull you into a logical convo in front of her…. and then proceed to run game to convey value and bring her back into state with him.

Notes on what does and does not raise Buying Temp

• Logic kills attraction. Logic controls social programming. EMOTIONS create attraction and raise Buying Temp. Emotions DO release chemicals in the brain, which are often diffictult to differentiate from attraction.
• Getting them giggling/laughing is less about raising buying temp, and more about giving them a reason to stay in set. Humour and Intrigue is less about attraction and more about holding the set and getting them to listen. I often forget this principle and become waaay too entertaining in set and lose the opportunity of the reaching the Hook-Point to escalate.
• Setting up validation processes. Baiting her to continually validate herself to you raises attraction.
• Push-Pull. This is where you convey, either directly or otherwise that you dig her, but quickly follow by conveying that you don’t.
• Cocky & Funny
• Kino, and escalating sexually
• Women’s girlfriends are very keyed in to each others buying temps, and they purposely pull them away or do certain things to snap their freind out of state. On the rare occasion you will game an HB and her friends are cool because they know that she wants to get laid.

Is Raising Buying Temp Enough On It’s Own?

With some types of women YES. With others, and I think the majority NO. This is why you need to simultaneously build other elements. These other elements include; Conveying value and social status, Building comfort and trust, conveying sexual subcommunication, have her perceive you as being the fuck of a lifetime.

Although I mentioned Vlidation in the Buying Temp notes above, I want to add something here. Mystery talks about how with club super hotties, even when you run really tight game they can lose interest. This is because they are soooo socially proofed/validated. They have super-HSE. Therefore, Mystery discovered that by adding in a jealousy sub-plot into his interactions he maintained intereset from such HB’s. This is actually triggering a very strong Validation mechanism.

I’m sure you can relate to this. Say you’re out with a pivot or just an HB friend, and she mentions this new guy that she really likes, or perhaps calls the guy in front of you. Then even if you are not attracted to her you feel somehow more attracted. This does work really well on women. Part of my new gameplan is to calibrate as to whether I need a jealousy subplot, and if so bring one in.

I’ll write more thoughts on this, but right now I’m in a coffee shop and my laptop battery is low.

Mystery calls this MOMENTUM.

Our state DRASTICALLY affects our ability to pickup girls. They pickup on it.

When I’m in a good state, I can perform at elite levels. On some *rare* occassions I’ve seen my game run even as tight as Mystery’s.

I’ll feel great, practically invincible. Cocky as ever, I feel like I can pickup any chick in the club – and I CAN.

I CAN THINK OF ALL THE *RIGHT* THINGS TO SAY. ROUTINES AND LINES ARE FLOWING OUT OF MY MOUTH EFFORTLESSLY. I AM FUNNY, SHARP, COCKY, AND ITS ALL EFFORTLESS. I AM *ON*.

Other nights, I cannot initiate a chat to save my life. SERIOUSLY, I CANNOT INITIATE A CHAT. No exaggeration. I’ll try, but I’ll be snubbed over and over.

Literally, no exaggeration. I get sub-AFC. This happens to me at least one out of every 5-6 times that I’ll go out.

——

So what causes this???

It has to do with how ALPHA you feel at the time, and the BIOFEEDBACK that you get as a result.

WHEN YOUR WING’S GAME BREAKS DOWN – PROCEDURES:

In the past, when my wingman’s game had broken down, I’d stop and start running strategy and criticism on why it has occured. Try to get to the bottom of it, etc etc.

This has NEVER been helpful, and has always just made things WORSE. It never got good results.

What I’ve figured out now, is that GIVING ADVICE is OUT-ALPHAING your wingman.

By taking your advice, your wingman is BETA-ing himself.

Doing this in PICKUP is CATEGORICALLY DIFFERENT than in tasks such as academic work, because ALPHA STATE will DICTATE RESULTS.

In academic work, for example, you can take advice from someone, and it will improve your final draft.

However, during pickup, as you take advice, you feel beta-ed, and your results become WORSE and WORSE.

Again – taking advice during ANY other activity is EFFECTIVE, because the advice is HELPFUL.

Because the MERE ACT OF TAKING ADVICE makes you feel beta, it is UNHELPFUL. Therefore you must always AVOID giving advice to your wingman IN FIELD, and SAVE it for a post-game DEBRIEF.

It is my opinion that STRATEGY SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSED WHILE IN THE MIDST OF PLAYING THE GAME, and should be saved for a post game debrief.

THE SOLUTION:

When your wingman’s game breaks down, the KEY is to AVOID talking about pickup. Realize that the SMALL AMOUNT of strategy that you can discuss will NOT change your wingman’s game enough in such a short period of time to effect substantial change in his game. The SOLUTION is to TAKE A BREATHER, and just go play pool or go outside for a bite to eat or something. JOKE AROUND. Do NOT address that his night is going poorly. AVOID it. If he asks why, just say “dude, you’re MONEY.. those chicks were defective anti-social.. do you wanna go find some NORMAL SOCIABLE CHICKS?” and then let HIM direct you back in.

LET YOUR WINGMAN TAKE CHARGE of the situation, so that he can RETURN to alpha-state.

Do NOT start offering advice, or you will BETA his state.

Do NOT tell him about all the chicks you are picking up.

Just joke around, and put him into a situation that will BOOST his state / elevate his testosterone / *whatever*.

**Get him to TAKE CHARGE in a way that is SUBTLE, so he doesn’t know that you are deliberately patronizing him.

If you can prod him to do something that makes him feel alpha, he will return to alpha-state, and again become a helpful and effective wingman.

This is important of course, for 2sets and just because in general, your wingman should be social-proofing you. An ideal pair of wingmen don’t cockfarm eachother out. They BENEFIT and SOCIAL PROOF eachother, because they are BOTH cool guys.

A tactic that helps with this is:

ACCOMPLISHMENT INTRODUCTIONS:

When my wingman comes in, I give him the BEST introduction possible.

“Guys guys! This is Twentysix! This is the COOLEST MUTHAFUCKA on the ENTIRE PLANET.. If you talk to this guy for even 30 seconds, you will clearly see that he is the coolest fucking guy”

Then update him on what you’ve been chatting the chicks about, so he can throw in his 2c.

This also sets the frame that you are more into your wing than the chicks. “Bros before hoes” mentality. Makes you seem cooler and thus more attractive to the set.

———-

Alpha heirarchy bullshit will dictate whether or not you pull the FINEST girls on any given night.

Take for example the parties that I’ll attend. On nights when I am the coolest guy in the room, I have FULL ATTENTION, and I am the ANCHOR of the conversations. (as discussed in the post below this one).

On such a night, I WILL pull the hottest girls, or at very least have all of the attention and IOIs.

However, if a cooler/more alpha guy shows up, I will NOT have good results. I’ll probably go home with nothing, or scraps.

——–

More on wingman tactics:

I’ve noticed that when I have a newbie with me, I’ll usually TAKE CHARGE. I am the man. I go into sets WITHOUT THINKING. I AM ALPHA.

However, when I have an equally skilled PUA with me, I sometimes think more about results. I think too much. Will I get snubbed? Will this work? etc etc…

With a new guy, I don’t have TIME to think about this stuff. I have to TAKE CHARGE of the situation.

I feel ALPHA, and chicks PICKUP on it. I have an excellent night.

Tyler Durden

We don’t only want entrance, but we want it free and we want to be bumped to the front of the line.

Additional material on qualification can be found at Fast Seduction.

There exists many social SUBCOMMUNICATIONS that convey social value.

• breaking rapport
• neutral to rapport
• trying to gain rapport

This goes on in social interactions all day long. Notice that the “coolest” people in the club venue are trying to break rapport with everyone. (They even wear sunglasses in a dark club, to convey that they are too cool and don’t want to make eye contact with anyone).

They roll in with their Cadillac SUV, hot chicks in tow, and don’t talk to anyone in the whole club except maybe the people similar to them. YET, if they were to approach YOU or YOUR GROUP in the club, you’d chat THEM, despite that they’d blow you off.

You’d chat them because they have high social value in that specific venue. People are DRAWN to interact with people of value, even if they’re not attracted. If Bill Gates wanted to chat, would I? Yes. Even if it was about nothing that helped me whatsoever, I’d just do it for some reason.

What Style is talking about here (which is a related to stuff I’ve discussed extensively on the Mystery Lounge), is that value re-adjustments may be necessary PRIOR to gaming.

Gaming = emotionally arousing (pumping her through states in a way that keeps her happy, aka C&F, and many other ways)

A girl can still CUT OFF who she allows to emotionally arouse her.

VALUE / ATTRACTION are DISTINCT

Value is a FILTER to see if the girl will ALLOW you to attract her.

Think to the REVERSE.

Girls are aroused EMOTIONALLY (they purchase romance novels that are descriptive).

Guys are aroused mostly VISUALLY and PHYSICALLY (they purchase porno and lapances).

A fat girl approaches me, and starts touching me. She is arousing me because she is touching my legs with her hands. She is breathing on me. I’m feeling myself getting hard.

Immediately I push her away from me, and CUT OFF what she is doing. Do I do this because I am INCAPABLE of deriving some pleasure from fucking her?

No.

Men fucked fat chicks for years, back when they were socially desirable (IOW: HAD VALUE). There’s no biological reason for me not fucking her. It’s just social.

Similarly, girls emotionally cut off men from gaming them. They won’t even acknowledge that you exist, or if they do, what you’re saying is just cute or entertaining.

Again, they are of high social value, and thus exhibit this by breaking rapport with people (both through verbal communications “why are you asking me this.. go away”, and non-verbal subcommunications like turning away from you, not matching your facial expressions or excitement levels, not being responsive to your presence, etc)

Value is established by

• OUTER APPEARANCE (genetics, grooming, and clothing subcommunications)
• -SOCIAL PROOF (both your entourage, the level to which the surrounding women are appearing to be unlocked to you (which is made obvious by things they subcommunicate as you are in the area, and girls pickup on this), and the level to which people treat you (ie: are they breaking rapport with you, being neutral to it, or trying to gain it)
• -ATTITUDE (bodylanguages and tonalities that you convey, by the words that you say and the way that you say it, and by the people who you interact with in a particular order and the way you interact with them)

So with girls, you can open with a NEUTRAL OPINION OPENER, and this is NOT ENOUGH.

Hence Style’s “Neg First” post.

This was derived from “JAP Busting I & II”

You must break rapport, perhaps several times, prior to gaming. Girls will not ALLOW themselves to become emotionally heated (aka; for their buying temperature to increase) for someone who does not pass through their filter of VALUE.

So what does that amount to in practical terms? Here’s an example:

TD: Hey guys, I need a female opinion.. Do girls think that the rockstar David Bowie is hot?
HBS: I dunno..
TD: Hey, you’re cool.. You guys are smart.. You’re from Long Island, I can tell..
HBS: Hey, we’re not from there..
TD: Yeah OK.. ummm BYE (turns back)
HBS: WTF?
TD: hahaa.. OK remain calm.. My friends little sister gets this poster of David Bowie on her wall. That is an OLD MAN.. Do you guys like OLD MEN?!?!
HBS: Why are you asking us this?
TD: (looks at wingman like they are RETARDED and mumbles)…. I’m talking. (turns back HARD, engages other set)
HBS: What a jerk blah blah..
TD: (turns around) hahhhaa, are you guys still talking about me?? haahhaa. (turns back)
HBS: No, we’re just saying blah blah
TD: (now commencing NORMAL game) You guys are so cute.. You know, I’m going to adopt you guys, you guys will be my new little sisters..

This is a VALUE ADUSTMENT. Neg first. (I’d also game a high value set differently, but that’s another story.. I’d use the same stuff, but at a different rate, direct it at different people, and also alot less of it)

You do the SAME with UG THEORY. Try to gain rapport with them first.

Value calibrations imply rapidly ascertaining what their perceived social value is, and matching it.

Girls are typically only inclined to allow themselves to be gamed with someone of simliar value.

There are exceptions however.

• TRUST
• ATTRACTION
• VALUE

These three things are SUBCOMMUNICATED at all times.

Some girls want guys with high value ONLY (NYC JAPs are like this, ChickJunkie’s 10$ Opener is good for girls like this, although an NYC JAP would probably pull out her attack whistle if you tried it on them)

Some girls value TRUST, which is subcommunicated through many things. Like when you see guys who are out with their girlfriends, and NEVER turn to face them. The girls always have to do the initiating. Some guys telegraph this, and it telegraphs trust. This is why simlar to girls who just want high value guys (like NYC Jewish American Princesses), some girls want to fuck gay guys and convert them. Queers subcommunicate feelings of trust so strong that some girls fall in love with them instantly. Weird – ask 10 girls and 2 or 3 will answer you this.

Some girls value ATTRACTION. These girls want the construction worker or badboy or the prejudicial racist stereotype of black guys.

There are also piles of PROFILES for this that you can spot, and piles of subcommunications that you can learn (think “AMOG TACTICS” post – what do the out-alpha tactics subcommunicate, beyond their surface verbal level?)

AN EXAMPLE OF VALUE

Sickboy007 and I want entrance into an exclusive club. We don’t only want entrance, but we want it free and we want to be bumped to the front of the line.

We do this all the time – I sit back and pretend to be a celeb. I say nothing, acknowledge nobody, and act aloof. Sickboy007 is my manager.

Sickboy007: Hey, we’re heading up to VIP.
BOUNCER: Are you on the guest list?
Sickboy007: You guys treat us really good here. Actually, we’re going to need to bring in our friends tommorow, and we need it Saturday as well.
BOUNCER: Are you guys celebrities? Who are you guys?
Sickboy007: (pauses)
BOUNCER: Hello?
Sickboy007: Yeah, umm we’ll definetely need that Saturday. I like you guys, you guys treat us good.
BOUNCER: OK bring in you and your friend. Talk to the manager about Saturday and Sunday, I don’t do that stuff.

TD & Sickboy007 skip the line, free cover, admitted to VIP.

Look at the subcommunications. He didn’t answer the bouncer’s quesitons directly. He barely looked the guy in the eyes. He didn’t shift his body towards him. He didn’t show any nervousness or regard for the bouncer’s physical presence. He didn’t even answer the quesitons with anything COHERENT.

The bouncer is TRAINED to pick up on this behaviour, and admit high value guests.

I’m not sure if this makes sense, but this is the behaviour we use in the pickup of high value girls.

]]> http://js-kit.com/rss/arizonapua.com/p=226 0 http://arizonapua.com/tyler-durdens-25-point-check-list-removes-low-value-traits-when-meeting-women/ http://arizonapua.com/tyler-durdens-25-point-check-list-removes-low-value-traits-when-meeting-women/#comments Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:19:28 +0000 Justin JDOG Marks http://www.arizonapua.com.php5-6.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/?p=196 Taught a few hundred guys by now just from meeting guys through PAIR and in workshops recently, and this is the shit that ups their game instantly with no tactics or anything. I see this shit ALL THE TIME. It’s the BIGGEST and most COMMON problem I see after everyone I’ve met. This is some of the main shit I focus on fixing when I’m in the field.

Almost EVERYONE I met so far screws up this shit, and it totally fucks up their sarges.

If you do this, don’t feel bad. 99% of guys I meet do it to various extents (myself included).

This is the extension of the “10 alpha qualities” post, which was when I was first figuring out what this shit meant. Back then, I was just posting observations. This post contains conclusions, having now thought about it.

ERADICATE this shit, and your game will go up B-I-G-T-I-M-E, more than ANY tactics will help you. This is part of what’s called being a “natural”. Even with nothing else, if you know this stuff you’ll do well socially, and probably get laid. This stuff is the KEY.

This stuff is only for people who play the REAL game, not the INTERNET ARMCHAIR GAME. So guys who don’t actually PLAY can skip this, because there’s not much theory in it – its directly applicable.

25 POINT CHECKLIST

1. FIDGETY MOVEMENTS AND TIGHT SHOULDERS AND TAKING YOURSELF TOO SERIOUSLY OR BEING TOO BUSINESSLIKE OR “SOPHISTICATED” (not laughing or being relaxed) = very visible subconsious (or conscious) self-doubt, overcompensating through non-relaxed state, where you’re prepared to deal with anything that could happen. Ever met someone who doesn’t blink when you talk to them?
2. TALKING TOO FAST = worried that people will stop listening to you unless you get out something that will interest them before they leave
3. LAUGHING AT YOUR OWN JOKES = covering up that you aren’t affected that others didn’t laugh, and social nervousness
4. SAYING “RIGHT” OR “YOU KNOW” AFTER STATEMENTS = seeking validation that what you said was true, or saying it because others aren’t
5. STANDING WITH LEGS NOT HALF A METER APART AT LEAST = worried that you’ll infringe on other people’s personal space
6. TALKING TOO SOFTLY OR LOUD = fear that you’ll impose yourself on people and their personal space(ie: beta).. alpha males aren’t afraid to project their voice.. YET, talking obviously too LOUD can also be seen as OVERCOMPENSATING. Just like guys who wear GENERIC clothes are trying to fit in, or guys who wear OUTRAGEOUS clothes are trying too hard to overcompensate. (hint: be careful with peacocking, find a style that doesn’t come off this way, which can be tricky but is still very doable).. Some guys don’t talk, some talk too much, etc etc.. Find appropriate balance through trial and error, which is determined through social observation,
7. MOVING YOUR HANDS AROUND WHILE YOU TALK = trying to keep the attention
8. LEANING IN or ‘PECKING’ = too eager to talk.. NEVER lean in no matter how loud the environment is MAKE HER LEAN IN or just leave but NEVER lean in or “peck” as its also called.
9. FACING BODY/FEET TOWARDS HER BEFORE SHE EARNED IT = trying to gain rapport with her too eagerly.
10. CHASING WHEN SHE WALKS AWAY = hoping she’ll listen. If a chick moves away from you, move your bodylanguage MORE away from her, so she’ll be drawn back.. don’t CHASE her… WTF?!@?!?
11. NOT WITHDRAWING (backturns, etc) WHEN SHE DOES SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULDN’T TOLERATE FROM AN UGLY GIRL OR A GUY = trying too hard to pick her up
12. ANSWERING QUESTIONS TOO QUICKLY/EARLY = too much interest in the conversation
13. TURNING YOUR HEAD (OR “SNAPPING”) WHEN YOU’RE ADDRESSED = too eager to be in convo.. so if your head is facing the other direction, and a girl says something to you, turn it SLOWLY to her, don’t snap it out of eagerness to hear her
14. GOING BACK TO A PRIOR THREAD THAT WAS INTERUPTED AT THE FIRST CHANCE/BREAK-IN-CONVO THAT YOU GET = trying too hard to impress them.. (ie: when a thread gets broken off in the convo, and you go back to it FIRST chance you get when the other topic ends, you look like you were WAITING to get back to it.. WHY are you so eager to get back on it, unless you don’t feel comfortable around the person and you need to qualify yourself to them?) WAIT until THEY say “what was that you were saying before?”, and THEN go back to it.. if it doesn’t happen, DROP IT even if it was good.
15. NOT APPEARING MORE INTO YOUR WINGMAN THEN THE CHICK = trying too hard to pick her up.. you’ve known your wingman longer than her.. why do you pay more attention to her than your wing???
16. TOO EAGER TO PAY ATTENTION – SAYING “what?” IF YOU CAN’T HEAR HER, PRIOR TO BEING IN RAPPORT = too much interest in what she’s saying.. if she mumbles, just STACK OPENERS into an entirely DIFFERENT topic, RATHER than saying “what?” This is fucking KEY KEY KEY. If you say “what?” you’ll lose her unless you’re already past attraction and into rapport. If this happens, just run a new opener and change the topic. 1- you don’t look too eager, 2- you look alpha for being disinterested in what she’s talking about which helps anyway.
17. REPLYING WITH OVERLY THOUGHT-OUT OF LOGICAL ANSWERS OR WITH OVERLY CLEAR/FORMAL PRONUNCIATION = being concerned that you won’t be accepted unless you convince really well (eg. HB: why did you ask me that… RIGHT = I’m talking. (sit and stare) WRONG = because I really need to know since I’ve been thinking about this for a while.. the FIRST one conveys that you won’t qualify yourself to her)
18. TAKING TOO MANY SENTENCES TO STATE AN IDEA THAT COULD BE STATED IN LESS SPACE = qualifying yourself. Commander Zap emails me a few months ago: “Remember TD, don’t write what you can say, don’t say what you can wink, don’t wink what you can smile” TIGHT. The shorter you can explain something in, the more PROFOUND you’ll appear. Why? You’re not qualifying yourself. (ironically I’m massively guilty of this, due to the fact that I post when I’m really tired – see #21 to spot what was wrong with this last sentence)
19. BEING BOLD INSTEAD OF CONFIDENT = that you know that you can’t pick her up, so you compensate with self-defeating actions so that the snub can be on “your terms”. Saying “I’m sexy right?” or “baby I want some of that” or even just approaching when the logistics are totally unrealistic is too eager, because a CONFIDENT person wouldn’t feel the NEED to say these kinds of things.. these things are symptoms of OVERCOMPENSATION for INSECURITIES.. which leads to……….
20. OVERCOMPENSATING INSECURITIES = fear of not being accepted. Have you ever met a janitor who the first thing he says is “money is over-rated.. I would never get caught up in the corporate world” blah blah.. if they’d have just said “I’m a janitor” and LEFT IT AT THAT we wouldn’t have even THOUGHT that anything was wrong with it.. but because they INSTANTLY start overcompensating, it comes off as overcompensating or qualifying. Same with if they BRING IT UP TOO EARLY. Like “hey, I’m Steve.. I’m a janitor and I love it”.. They’re TRYING to be cocky but it comes off as COMPENSATING. BE COMFORTABLE WITH YOURSELF. If you’re BALD, don’t say “would you love a bald man?” as a pickup line. It’s not COCKY…. its BOLD. If you’re bad looking, don’t say “don’t you think I’m sexy”. Just be comfortable with yourself, and don’t bring up the issue at all.
21. OVERCOMPENSATING FAILURE OR SHORTCOMINGS = fear of being judged.. if you do poorly on a presentation, or on a sarge in front of a wingman, or on a test, DO NOT SAY DUMB SHIT LIKE “I’m really tired”. EVEN IF you’re ACTUALLY really tired, the mere act of saying “I’m tired” comes off as QUALIFYING yourself to the person. Just don’t bring it up. If you have shitty clothes on, don’t say “I have nicer clothes at home.” Just don’t bring it up. If you meet a girl when you’re dressed bad, don’t say “I have the coolest club clothes at home” Just don’t bring it up.
22. GOING BACKWARDS IN THE PICKUP ON HER SCHEDULE = too eager to lay her.. if you’ve already GONE THROUGH the whole “let’s ballbust and shit test eachother” attraction phase of the pickup, and you’re now in RAPPORT → if she tries to ballbust you at this point then just WITHDRAW ATTENTION. DO NOT BALLBUST BACK. It seems COUNTER INTUITIVE, but once you’ve gone through that whole little attract phase, and you’re now being nice to eachother in rapport, DO NOT let her rewind the sarge by answering her ballbusting with ballbusts of your own. Just withdraw attention, to show that you’re not interested in going BACKWARDS in a sarge.
23. WAITING FOR HER IF SHE LEAVES FOR ANY REASON (LIKE SAYS “I’M GOING TO THE WASHROOM, WAIT HERE) = too eager and into the convo.. if she goes to the washroom, make sure you’re into another set by the time she gets back.
24. OVERLY REMEMBERING DETAILS ABOUT PAST CONVOS = convo means too much to you, because the person has unusual value to you (ie: a hot chick). Of course, I’m not advocating to be a total dick, but the general rule of thumb is that if you wouldn’t have remembered a FAT CHICK or a GUY saying it, then don’t remember the HB9 chick saying it. If some random dude said it and you would have remembered, then FINE. If you were in an unusually intimate convo that’s also fine. But otherwise FAKE forgetting, even if she’s a model and you remember every word. Even forget her name. If you see a random chick from your class or work, but you never talked to her, OPEN LIKE YOU DON’T KNOW HER. Don’t give into the temptation to say “we work together”. Just open like a random chick, and maybe if you get snubbed then pull out that card to save face, but only as a LAST RESORT.
25. OFFERING TOO MUCH ABOUT YOURSELF TOO EARLY = too eager to make them like you.. subcategories of this are:
• Verbally: if you say to a chick “yeah, I just got back from NYC (or any cool place that would impress)” or “yeah, I just got my Rolex fixed”, or “yeah, my stripper ex-girlfriend told me…” then she PICKS UP on the fact that you’re trying too hard to impress her.. Same with NAME DROPPING.. DON’T GIVE GIRLS YOUR RESUME TOO EARLY.. Personality conveying routines should convey personality COVERTLY, so it looks like the story is just SO COOL that its WORTH TELLING on its own accord, and it just HAPPENS to have some good things about you in it. When offering good things about yourself, don’t offer boring details. Say it with less detail, and it seems less eager. INSINUATE THAT WHICH YOU ARE TEMPTED TO ELICIDATE (holy shit, I just made up that last catchy sentence, but I’ve gotta say that I’m the shit.. right?)
• Entertaining: If you have stuff like patterns, or the CUBE, or magic, or photos, or palmreading, and you do this EARLY, it comes off as TRY-HARD. Personally I don’t use any of these things, but alot of guys do, and when they bust them out prior to the chick EARNING it, it comes off TRY-HARD. Use the stuff LATER, but not right away.
• Wanting rapport with someone who didn’t earn it: WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT? I swear to god, almost EVERY PUA I meet live in field does this shit, and its SUPER LAME. Going up to a chick and saying “nice necklace” or “what’s your name” or “where did you get that?” is FUCKING DORK SUPER LAME. WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE ABOUT THIS STUFF FROM A R-A-N-D-O-M PERSON??? The counter argument to this is that you’re not hiding your desires blah blah blah she’s a hot girl and she should be happy that you’re approaching, but this is INTERNET RHETORIC.. and this approach is STILL hiding your desires behind the GUISE that you’re nice, so even if the rhetoric was true, it would STILL be ineffective… In the INTERNET ARMCHAIR GAME this stuff is FINE, but in the REAL FIELD GAME this shit screws you over before you’ve even started gaming. It’s fucking bullshit, and NOBODY who isn’t very goodlooking or socially proofed (or whatever high value) PRIOR to going in, can make this kind of approach work consistently on HB8.5+ chicks. TRYING FOR RAPPORT TOO EARLY IS QUALIFYING YOURSELF TO HER BECAUSE SHE HAS NOT EARNED IT.
• Talking without feedback: When you’re talking to someone, and they don’t give feedback, and you’re talking and talking, you BETA YOURSELF. It’s a DOWNWARD SPIRAL, where you start talking TOO MUCH, and you SENSE that you’re qualifying yourself, so you overcompensate EVEN MORE by TALKING and TALKING more and more.. Then you feel more and more beta’ed because you qualified yourself, and you’re left treading water, grabbing at ANYTHING that will impress the person, so you keep talking in hopes of saying that one thing that will impress them. AVOID this by not talking too much unless THEY give some feedback. IN THE FIELD you do this by PAUSING and FORCING them to fill in the awkward gaps.

Alright that’s it. I’m really tired so if the post wasn’t clear its because its 5am and I’m tired and normally it would be really good. Style is sitting over my shoulder right now and he says that this post I’m writing is really good, and he likes it. I’m a really good PUA and I date models and and hotties and almost the Dahm triplets, and my students say I’m the best instructor in the game, so really you know this material is tight. I’m in the field non stop so you’d better read this stuff, because its for real. I can even pickup in NYC and LA, the world’s toughest environments. Before when Formhandle said I wasn’t a good PUA that was because he didn’t get it cause he’s too serious. My high-5 stuff works, he’s just too uptight to grasp it. It works, I’m serious. Honestly guys, I’m so fucking cool… RIGHT? Cause I wrote the spastic ramblings and the How to PUA actually for real, so this stuff is as tight as that. I take philosophy at Queens guys. That’s the best school in Canada. If I can get good marks there, I can figure this stuff out. That’s why I get laid so much. Don’t forget that I’m using Pimp-Method. I have so many female friends, I’m so socially proofed.

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Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast.advanced
Subject: Social Intelligence – vibing
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:22:00 -0400

To me, this is a very important post.

Social Intelligence. Having struggled so hard to learn it, I have so much to say on this topic. In this post I’d like to specifically discuss social vibing and insecurity (a very focused, but important peice of the puzzle).

There are many subcommunications that are being telegraphed at all times in any interaction. Both verbal and non-verbal.

Social interactions have features and customs that I suppose are designed to make them pleasant.

As social animals, we have the attribute of actually enjoying socializing just for the sake of socializing.

We socially VIBE.

People who break the vibe are considered socially unintelligent, and despite being perhaps very good/worthwhile people, they will come across poorly.

Most people, once you get to know them, are really worthwhile. I’ve rarely met someone, who when put in a position where I was by circumstance made to get to know them, that I didn’t come to like.

So what’s the difference between someone who is COOL and someone who is UNCOOL?

The way that they COME ACROSS. Their level of social intelligence. Their ability to CONVEY it. TELEGRAPH it. SUBCOMMUNICATE it.

Understanding how to socially vibe telegraphs that you are secure with yourself. Failing to understand telegraphs insecurity.

Much of this post assumes that early game is now past, and you are in comfort building (if you use my PU model, if you are using Juggler’s, for example, then this would apply from the very start because he is full rapport).

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LAUGHING AS VIBING

Laughter is not only a stress relief mechanism. It’s actualy a social mechanism.

Laughter basically shows that your social group is vibing well. Monkeys, while they can’t talk like we can, still laugh when they are in rapport with each other.

Think to when you were telling a joke, and the group vibe was just so TIGHT. The people were starting to laugh before you’d even delivered the punch line. Maybe you said “I haven’t even told the joke yet, and you guys are laughing”. And they can’t figure out why, and they laugh even more as you say this.

Also, think of how when you use cocky tactics, girls laugh/giggle. This is a sign that they are wanting to vibe with you.

The movie “Goodfellas”, in the scene where Joe Pesci is telling jokes at the restaurant table, and everyone is laughing harder and harder. Ray Liotta can’t stop laughing. It’s not just the humour. It’s the VIBE.

People who are not socially intelligent will LAUGH AT THEIR OWN JOKES. They laugh prior to the group starting to laugh.

Notice next time that someone laughs at their own joke first. Were you JUST ABOUT to laugh, but then didn’t when they did first?

They were attempting to FILL IN THE RAPPORT GAP.

When the boss of an office tells a joke, everyone laughs. When the beta male tells it, he worries that nobody will, and laughs at his own joke to fill in the so-called rapport gap.

Concentrate on VIBING, and don’t try to artificially push rapport.

Better, is to WAIT until the group laughs, and THEN laugh with them.

This gap is also seen when people say “right” after all of their sentences. They are trying to FILL IN the “right” that the other person SHOULD have said themself, IF THEY HAD been socially vibing properly.

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RHETORICAL SEQUENCING

People, when talking, use weird (when you think about it) rhetorical sequencing. Here is an example:

A guy is excited that he got a cheap deal on a coat.

GOOD VIBING

• GUY: You’ll never guess how much I got this coat for.
• FRIEND: Wow.. Umm, 200$.
• GUY: No man. 45$
• FRIEND: Wow.. Nice man.

BAD VIBING

• GUY: You’ll never guess how much I got this coat for.
• FRIEND: Oh you got a deal. I guess 30$ then.
• GUY: Umm, actually 45$
• FRIEND: Oh.. well that’s not bad.

Notice that the friend TELEGRAPHED SUBCOMMUNICATIONS of INSECURITY.

His thought process was: “I’ll show GUY that I’m smart. I’m clever enough to pickup on the fact that if he said “You’ll never guess what I paid”, that he got a deal. Then I’ll have shown him that I passed his test.”

His INSECURITY caused him to miss out on the social vibing, which was intended to build excitement and wasn’t a test at all.

The secure guy, although realizing that the coat was really cheap, would still guess something lower end, but still high enough that if the guy’s deal wasn’t as great as he thought, he’ll still feel good. After all, its bought, so why worry about that stuff (UNLESS you seriously could hookup a massively cheaper deal and return the coat (which the socially intelligent guy would ascertain before even suggesting it), in which case the happiness derived from that would outweigh actually telling the guy that he didn’t get the best deal).

ANOTHER EXAMPLE

GOOD VIBING

• HB: I just got this crazy shirt. Look at it.
• PUA: Wow.. Cute!

BAD VIBING

• HB: I jsut got tihs crazy shirt. Look at it.
• PUA: Cool.. Hey you know in L.A. that shirt would be nothing. I should bring you there sometime.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE

GOOD VIBING

(Friend1 drives to Toronto for the first time with Friend2)

• FRIEND1: Wow man, look at that building.. That rocks..
• FRIEND2: Whoa.. That’s pretty big dude.

BAD VIBING

• FRIEND1: Wow man, look at that building.. That rocks..
• FRIEND2: Dude, that’s cool.. But man, you should see NYC. Man, NYC KILLS this place.

(JLAIX: If you’re reading this, who does this remind you of? HINT: His first name is *LERON*).

Again, with these examples, the person who is not vibing right does not get something: The purpose of the initial comment was NOT to ACTUALLY debate it. It was to SOCIALLY VIBE. The content was not the REAL communication. It was a surface for SUBCOMMUNICATION, which INTENDED to say “Let’s have a nice time, and have rapport with eachother and relax.”

The insecure and socially unintelligent person is taking the sentences of the first person, and FIELDING them as OPPORTUNITIES TO QUALIFY HIMSELF.

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HEIRARCHIES – ROLE IN SOCIAL INTERACTION

We all get our moment in the sun at some point.

You’ll notice, that when you are holding court, that sometimes people will be insecure with that.

The secure guy will recognize when its someone’s turn to hold court, and not fight it.

A person who is secure will talk to ADD EMPHASIS to a point. He will not DISPUTE a point while someone is holding court. He knows that he’ll have his chance LATER, and that right now someone is trying to get a point across.

Guys who are insecure will constantly dispute points whenever they see the opening. They view is at an opportunity to demonstrate their value.

They CANNOT RESIST the temptation.

For an example that everyone reading this can recoginze, look to this chatboard. Something tight will get posted. Insecure posters will nightpick semantics. Like “While this is important, its maybe an 8 out of 10 level importance. Not a 10 like you said.” The secure poster, if he finds the level of emphasis on a level where its honestly misinformative, might post “I think that x,y,z are really good, man. I think that you might consider less emphasis on it though, because a,b,c are important as well. Good post though man, I like x,y,z”

ANOTHER feature you’ll see on this board, and that is in the same vein, are THROWING LITTLE NEGS or TRYING TO COME OFF AUTHORITATIVE WHEN ITS NOT YOUR PLACE.

For example, you’ll see guys trying to get rapport with someone they don’t know by throwing little negs.

GOOD VIBING

• *OLD* FRIEND 1: Hey Stevo, you fucking bastard.. C’mere gimme a hug

BAD VIBING

• *NEW* ACQUAINTANCE: C’mere you fucker, help me out.

The second is BAD vibing, because he is trying to FORCE rapport with subcommunication that is only appropriate of old friends.

Similarly, you’ll see guys who try to come off authoritative. You’ll see it on the board, where a guy will post something quality, and someone who doesn’t like him will post “That’s very quality material. Good that you posted something of quality”. It’s like he’s trying to come off authoritative. Like he realizes that he’s negged on the guy on the chatboard, and he feels insecure that the guy he negged produced something worthwhile. So he has to come in and be all authoritative, like “I can show everyone that I recognize a good post”. Guys in real life will see someone who they publically disliked starting to improve himself, and say things like “Good that you’re improving. KEEP IT UP.” By this, they are trying to CONTROL what is happening. They are trying to say “Improve, because *I*, the AUTHORITY, approved.”

More on this… If you’ve ever ever ran a very good presentation at work or school, and you see an insecure person come up to you and criticize.

They don’t realize its YOUR TURN TO HOLD COURT. Their turn is LATER.

So they throw little negs at you. Like they always have to offer advice on how you could have improved it. They can’t just say “Good job man”.

Or they have to nit-pick subtleties. Like they can’t say “That was awesome”. They have to first go over their advise on where you fucked up.

For a real life example that most guys on this board can recognize, when you meet up with another guy from the scene through PAIR, if he’s insecure he’ll do the following:

1. Talk about game non-stop, rather than PLAY.
2. Watch you do a set, and CRITICIZE on what could be improved, rather than encourage.
3. You tell him about something that happened, and he gives you ADVICE, rather than just listening.

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SOCIAL INTERACTION WITH “VIBING” AS THE PRESUPPOSITION, NOT “DISCUSSING AN ISSUE”

When socializing, a good vibe will be set when the reason for being there is to enjoy eachother’s company.

However, sometimes a bad vibe can be set when the presupposition is that you’re there for a SPECIFIC PURPOSE.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with purpose. It has a place, and more of my daily interactions have a purpose than those that are to socially vibe.

However, recognizing that tagging a set purpose to an interaction will often stop a nice vibe from occuring, will help with a pickup.

Insecure people will often LATCH onto a purpose for the conversation, as a way of maintaining it.

Then they’ll leave on a “high note” once that purpose is exhausted.

This is a MAJOR cause of flaking. You maintained a conversation with a girl, but the presupposition was that you were discussing an issue. You left on the high note, but didn’t realize that you were actually REINFORCING to the girl that you are not socially compatible.

When going to meet up with you again, she’ll think “Well, we really have nothing more to talk about though. I don’t want to have nothing to talk about, because that would feel unfortable”

As guys, we don’t care. We might feel nervous that we’ll have nothing to talk about, but we want sex. But girls, if the feel uncomfortable, they won’t show up. That’s one reason why guys who smoke pot get laid alot. Girls rarely flake on them, because they have that social presupposition that will give comfort. For the rest of us who don’t smoke, we use SOCIAL VIBING rather than FORCED social interaction, to maintain comfort.

Clinging too strenously to a particular topic can come across insecure. When you say to a friend “Let’s go have a beer”, the subtext is “Let’s go socially vibe”. You don’t go discuss an issue, and say “Let’s reconvene later”. You go and you chill. You have a FRIENDSHIP. Non-party-chicks rarely flake on guys they have both attraction AND friendship with. But they do flake on guys who attract them, tongue them down, and say “Give me your #.”

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PRACTICAL FEMALE INTERACTION

In summary, how does this apply in practical terms?

Most of it comes in, during comfort building phase. Or if you use a different PU model than I do, then its when you’re getting to know the girl either way.

1. Don’t crack jokes to the girl, and laugh at them before she does. Wait. You’ll notice that it sometimes takes even 10-15 seconds for a joke to process. But it DOES. I usually bust on her for it “Oh, slow processing time.. That’s OK, you’re my little sister.. I didn’t adopt you for your brains”

   Also, don’t say “right” after everything. It can come across beta. Right?

2. When a girl is trying to impress you, RECOGNIZE it as her QUALIFYING herself. If you reject it, you’ll come across insecure, or socially unaware.

   This is DIFFERENT than the C&F stuff early, where you break rapport on purpose. In fact, much like how the “25 Points to not trying too hard” assumed that you were in EARLY GAME, this post to some extent at least assumes you are PAST early game.

   SHARE her excitement by recognizing rhetorical social sequencing.

3. Recognize when its your turn to talk, and when somebody else is being focused on.

   MUCH MUCH of the mid/later game is the chick qualifying herself to you.

   Because our pickup model encorporates alot of not trying, you’ll notice your best pickups (with NON-party-chicks at least) are with the ones who at some point EARN your attention.

   They perceive that they’ve WON your interest, and plan to COLLECT THE PRIZE (your dick in their mouth).

4. If a girl tells you about a problem, just LISTEN and change her emotion. Say “Ouch, that’s sounds tough.. But hey, you’re a powerpuff girl, and you know you’re to fiesty to let this stop you.. Let’s check out x,y,z”

   Definetely don’t offer advice. If she wants advice, she’ll say “WHAT SHOULD I DO?” Unless someone asks me what to do, I rarely offer advice. OR, I say “You know i have experience with this, so maybe later you can ask me about it.”

5. Focus on SOCIALLY VIBING and don’t CLING TO TOPICS. This will prevent flaking, and make her feel comfortable around you.

   Don’t leave on a high note. THERE IS NO HIGHNOTE. There is only vibing and flipping the switches that she needs to have switched in order to fuck you.

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OK retards, that’s it. Cool post, RIGHT? HAHAHAHHAHAA..

-TD

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Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast.advanced
Subject: Social Intelligence – vibing
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:32:00 -0400
On 9/10/03 11:17:39 AM, finalD wrote:
>> SOCIAL INTERACTION WITH
>”VIBING” AS THE
>PRESUPPOSITION, NOT
>> “DISCUSSING AN ISSUE”
>>
>>
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>Key to all geekiness …

haa, I like that analysis – I agree completely.

It’s true, geeks need a presupposition to hang out. Interesting. I think I’m a natural geek, for sure.

Thanks for all the great feedback. I thought the guys’ answers to the questions that were given were really bang on, and covered my bases.

I suppose this sort of approach is the “external” way of coming at the problem.

The other way of course would be the “internal” way, which would mean improving your inner game so that you’re not needy and you’re not insecure.

I think that inner approach is great and has alot of value.

At the same time, the externally focused approach is what solved my internal issues, because once I figured out the points of how internally-balanced people acted, I got laid and then started to feel better internally.

Like one thing I like to do with newbs is tell the girls from the set I’m in that they have to tongue him down and grab his dick, or I’ll leave and blow them off. Or I’ll tell a girl from a 2set that if her friend isn’t warm to my friend, I’ll leave because he’s bored. The girls do this, and then the newb walks around strutting like he’s the man for the rest of the night. Then he PU’s another separate chick on his own, gets MOMENTUM, and it snowballs. These are extreme cases of the externally focused approach, but just focusing on the mannerisms of successful guys can do the same.

At the same time, for alot of guys they really need internal work. Like no success will fix them internally. So I think that both approaches are great.

I know Twentysix is now running great game, and he did both externally focused stuff (going out 4 nights a week), as well as seeing a psychologist.

-TD

Tyler Durden

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