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Now when it comes to the idea that “if a girl disrespects me I’ll NEXT her”, that isn’t my frame at all. To me, you can’t NEXT a girl who you haven’t slept with.

I get a phone call from an ex-girlfriend that I’m still close with. We still hook-up, but I value her more as someone who I can talk to now. I think that may change when I stop travelling and I’m around more. For some reason, she’s an anomaly who is very self aware of her tendencies. That is, as opposed to most girls I meet, who only offer useless socially conditioned rhetoric, whenever you ask them about male/female interaction.

Over the course of the conversation, the topic of dating comes up. I ask, “What does it mean when you meet up with a guy, have a great time, maybe even kiss, but then when he calls you don’t go out with him? Like you make up excuses and don’t return his calls.”

She replies, “Well there’s this guy, Chris, who I met the other night. I really liked him. I offered him my number. He called me the other night, and asked me to meet up. I told him ‘You know what, I think I actually will. Let me call you back.’ I really wanted to meet up. For some reason I never did though. The thing is, that I can feel the emotion that I felt when I gave him my number, at the time that we’re talking on the phone. But the second we hang up, poof, it’s gone. Also, I actually have scheduling issues. It’s not like this is someone who I’m already friends with, who I’d give priority to. This is some new person that I barely know. If he happens to catch me at the right time, I’d go out with him. But I won’t take the time or go out of my way to return his calls. I don’t call guys.”

I reply, “So theoretically, you’re sufficiently attracted to this guy that under different circumstances you could have wound up sleeping with him. Or even gotten into a five year relationship, for all you know. But just because of ill luck in timing and because he actually believed that you’d call him back, now you’ll never see him again. Is this weird to you at all?”

She replies, “Nope. It makes perfect sense. I don’t care either way, because I have guys available to me at all times so it’s my last priority. That guy was cool and I thought he was cute, and maybe I’ll see him again later or something. I also just give out my number to be social most of the time. It doesn’t mean I have any intentions at all.”

I reply, “He could use that opportunity to continue the interaction to generate attraction down the line, no?”

She replies, “It’s happened before. Really I just don’t want to meet new guys. I like being social when I’m out. But if I’m attracted to a guy, I’ll probably flake on him. I’ve already slept with enough guys (she’s nineteen years old, and has been with five guys), I don’t want to sleep with anymore right now. When I was with my two friends hanging out at these guys’ house, we made each other promise not to let each other do anything because the guys were cute.”

I reply, “OK that makes sense. What if he’s really good looking? Does that make a difference? Also, do you think that when he calls it’s better for him to chat you for a while, so you can be reminded of why you gave him your number in the first place? Or should he just call and immediately try to make plans? Also, do you think it’s better to call you out on your bullshit in a funny way if you flake?”

She answers, “Looks means nothing when it comes to that stuff. I know within seconds if I could or couldn’t sleep with a guy. I knew within seconds that we’d have sex, the night that we met.”

I reply, “Are you serious? I don’t think that my looks are on a level that you’d want to sleep with me the second you saw me.”

She replies, “True. But it’s in your energy. The way you come across. I can’t explain it. As long as you’re not morbidly disfigured your looks won’t be the main thing I judge on. Girls all say they want looks, but they wind up with guys who aren’t hot all the time. There’s so many guys that I think are so hot, and I sit there waiting for them to talk and I’m all excited, and they’re like “hi” with some stupid line, and they sound retarded and act weird. It’s such a letdown, and most hot guys are like that.”

I reply, “Do you think the 25 point list I showed you has to do with that kind of stuff?”

She replies, “Yes, definitely. Also stuff that you don’t have in there, like just your voice and facial expressions.”

I reply, “OK, what about the other stuff with calling girls out on bratty behaviour? Like confronting her for flaking?”

She replies, “Well if a guy tries to argue with me, I’ll just hang up on him. He would have to do it in a totally funny way that doesn’t make me upset or annoyed.”

I reply, “Last night, I call up this flaky girl, and say ‘You’re so annoying to get a hold of! It’s so cute though, you’re so confused and disorganized. It’s like you’re my bratty little sister. I don’t even think I’m attracted to you anymore, I just want to take care of you and help you get organized like a big brother.’… Then she started giggling and said ‘No no no.. I’ll meet up with you, don’t think of me like that!’.. Do you think that was a good approach?”

She replies, “Yeah definitely. That was funny and if you did that to me, I’d be like “Oh yeah, well maybe I WILL meet up with you then!”

I reply, “OK awesome. So do you think it’s good to talk for like 15 minutes to remind her of what she gave you her number in the first place, and then go for a meet?”

She replies, “Probably longer than that actually. I’m not sure. For you maybe less time because you do this stuff. But most guys have no chance unless they’re lucky because I’m either bored or looking for something at that point in time. I guess their best bet is to try to talk to me as much as possible, so I become friends with them.”

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A few thoughts on this.

First, guys will attribute flaking to a lack of attraction. I disagree with this line of thinking. Girls go into state, and forget about it down the line. In fact, most of what occurs while a girl’s buying temperature is escalated will be forgotten by the girl. They become disassociative and cognitive dissonance kicks in.

Have you ever noticed that whatever drama happens the night you meet a girl will be forgotten if you wind up dating? It’s because nothing that happens while she’s in state counts to her. That’s also why we don’t bother worrying about whether or not a girl has a boyfriend. She becomes disassociative when she’s attracted, so it’s not relevant to the interaction.

That being the case, there are a few tendencies that guys in the scene have, that I think are wrong-headed:

1. Calling a girl on her bullshit for flaking in a way that isn’t cute or fun, or in a way that sounds angry or like you actually care. In my experience, the only girls who respond to that are the types who respond to this sort of behaviour in general, which is a certain type of girl that is not the majority.
2. Putting the girl in a position where she has to call you back or its over.
3. Refusing to follow up with girls who don’t make it easy to meet up with them again by, and thinking that you’re somehow ‘NEXTing’ them.
4. Thinking that all value is strictly conveyed in person, and that it is a bad idea to talk for a long time on the phone because it makes you look needy. Not that you *need* to call long. But rather, call as long as you feel like. Calibrate so as to hang up before she gets bored, but enjoy the interaction as long as you want. It’s just that much more comfort building, and is only taking you that much closer to the endzone.
5. Giving up if the girl stands you up, because you think she isn’t attracted.


For me, there are a few things that I’ll do when it comes to the phone. First, if a girl flakes me, I’ll tease her on it in a funny way. I never get angry or look genuinely upset about it. I never focus on reasoning with them logically.

I also don’t give up if a girl doesn’t call back. At the same time, if they say they’ll call back I’ll say I don’t get upset like I know they won’t. I’ll just say “OK cool.” and give them the chance. But then if they don’t call back when they said they would, I’ll call back a bit later and just re-initiate the conversation as if I don’t even remember that they didn’t follow up.

Now when it comes to the idea that “if a girl disrespects me I’ll NEXT her”, that isn’t my frame at all. To me, you can’t NEXT a girl who you haven’t slept with. In my view, that’s just her NEXT’ing you. It’s only a girl that I’m already with that I’ll do this to if she annoys me or crosses my boundaries.

For a girl I haven’t slept with yet though, I have a certain beliefs. She owes me nothing. It’s all a game. No relationship or connection exists between us until we’ve been together physically, because she reserves the right to walk away at any point. I have no emotional ties to the interaction, and I have no ego about it. I just do what I think will work.

I also believe that there is a fundamental problem with many of the social ideas about how often and when to call. For example, there exists an idea in society that waiting to call will create scarcity and value, as well as increase anticipation. To me this is very wrong thinking. Notice that it stems from the fact that 99% of pickups in society are SOCIAL CIRCLE pickups. So for that kind of phone number, you’d have probably had the tension building for weeks or months before the number was exchanged. Of course waiting is better – it’s been building for months. But for girls you met on a cold approach, that is not the case.

I know what world the girls live in. They live in the same world that I do. The world where you meet tons of girls (in their case its guys), and tons of them like you and tons of them validate you. When I get home from a club, I literally cannot remember the names or faces of girls I met. To be more accurate, I literally barely remember the names or faces of the last three girls I had sex with. I just got off the phone with a girl that I was with less than twelve hours ago, and PlayboyLA and I had to think for five minutes about what her name was before I returned her call. And I LIKED that girl. I remember she was a hot brunette around my height, and seemed cool. But that’s about it.

For girls, it’s the same. They can barely remember anyone they meet, because they meet so many people. To make matters even worse, they become disassociative while they’re in the club. Many of them have even had had a few drinks, but you couldn’t tell. Of course, you can do daytime pickup. But regardless, the girls still have access to many other good looking alpha guys the second they want it. Most guys don’t even realize that it is very rare that an attractive girl is not getting laid by one or more other guys. That’s even when they’re single. They’re still sleeping with their ex-boyfriends, or some player on the side. It’s not like a hot girl is NOT getting laid, anymore than you wouldn’t be if you had the instant option. So when you’re calling, they are about as motivated to meet up with you as you would be to drive across town to a good Italian restaurant, when you’re eating a good bowl of Chinese right in front of you. Sure, the Italian would be great. But you have an unlimited Chinese buffet sitting right here. Why would you be bothered?

The girls don’t get that needy feeling that the guys get. They are always validated, because they’ve been in the club at least twice a week, getting validated by all the guys complimenting them and buying them drinks.

When it comes to how I handle the phone, I don’t worry that if I call back multiple times it will make me look bad. Because I have high social value, and don’t subcommunicate any neediness, I can call as much as I want. In fact, I’ll call two or three times in a row if she’s not picking up, back to back. I’ll call back whenever I feel like it, because it’s obvious that I’m amusing myself and that I don’t really care. I could take it or leave it, and I’m just having fun. I’ll call and shoot the shit, and then hassle her until she meets up. Whatever.

I also combat excuses by adding in phone freezeouts, and following them with playful teasing and some semi-logical stuff like “Hey, come chill for a few minutes. If you’re bored, take off and we’ll catch up later.” My bro Mystery (www.mysterymethod.com) also has a field tested routine about how its weird to barrel through the first awkward half hour of meeting someone new, but everyone you know you had to go through it with, so let’s just barrel through it.

My goal is to have the girl on the phone ASAP. I don’t want them to have any time to forget that we have plans to meet up. I’ll call girls’ cellphones even as I’m leaving the club and going for afterbar food. I’ll have pulled a girl from the club to an afterhours food place, and run off to the bathroom to call all my numbers, while my wing occupies our set (I have a habit of pulling a two set with my wing for same night, and take numbers from the choice girls in larger sets). Whether I reach them or not, I’ll call them again as soon as I wake up the next afternoon, and get the ball rolling. I’m not thinking to make them wonder if I’ll call or not, because I know they could care less. Not because they aren’t attracted. Rather, because there are many attractive prospects on their plates, and regardless of my game, I’m one of many. The difference between me and them though, is that I’ll get her and they won’t, because I’ll play it properly.

If a girl stands me up, I’ll call her and make fun of her for it. I’ll hassle her to meet up. I’ll say I’m still there and she had better get her ass down there, because she’s my little sister and if she doesn’t get down here I don’t know what trouble she’ll get into if she doesn’t have me there to supervise her. I don’t care either if she wants her friends to come or not. All of this means nothing to me. I just want to see her again, because I’ll get her no matter what she throws at me. The difference between a day1 and a day2 is that she’s there to see *me*. So she has no excuse not to come back somewhere private if we’re spending time together. And from there I can escalate.

So let’s summarize. In my experience, I’ve found it best to get away from the idea that you’re trying to make the girl fall in love with you before you hook up with her. Focus on just showing you’re a cool guy who she has the potential to be attracted to, and then make it your only priority to see her again. Don’t worry about your value over the phone. You can’t wreck a sarge from over a phoneline. That makes no sense. If you’re the kind of guy who she’s attracted to, then just act congruent to that over the phone. Call her and get her accustomed and accepting that you’re in her life now. Make plans, and if she is flaky don’t worry about it, and be playfully persistent by chatting her more, not by talking non-stop about the flaking. Meet, have fun, connect, isolate, and from there its up to you..

]]> http://js-kit.com/rss/arizonapua.com/p=260 0 http://arizonapua.com/social-intelligence-and-vibing-explained-by-pickup-artist-tyler-durden/ http://arizonapua.com/social-intelligence-and-vibing-explained-by-pickup-artist-tyler-durden/#comments Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:16:28 +0000 Justin JDOG Marks http://www.arizonapua.com.php5-6.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/?p=221 Author: Tyler Durden
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast.advanced
Subject: Social Intelligence – vibing
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:22:00 -0400

To me, this is a very important post.

Social Intelligence. Having struggled so hard to learn it, I have so much to say on this topic. In this post I’d like to specifically discuss social vibing and insecurity (a very focused, but important peice of the puzzle).

There are many subcommunications that are being telegraphed at all times in any interaction. Both verbal and non-verbal.

Social interactions have features and customs that I suppose are designed to make them pleasant.

As social animals, we have the attribute of actually enjoying socializing just for the sake of socializing.

We socially VIBE.

People who break the vibe are considered socially unintelligent, and despite being perhaps very good/worthwhile people, they will come across poorly.

Most people, once you get to know them, are really worthwhile. I’ve rarely met someone, who when put in a position where I was by circumstance made to get to know them, that I didn’t come to like.

So what’s the difference between someone who is COOL and someone who is UNCOOL?

The way that they COME ACROSS. Their level of social intelligence. Their ability to CONVEY it. TELEGRAPH it. SUBCOMMUNICATE it.

Understanding how to socially vibe telegraphs that you are secure with yourself. Failing to understand telegraphs insecurity.

Much of this post assumes that early game is now past, and you are in comfort building (if you use my PU model, if you are using Juggler’s, for example, then this would apply from the very start because he is full rapport).

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LAUGHING AS VIBING

Laughter is not only a stress relief mechanism. It’s actualy a social mechanism.

Laughter basically shows that your social group is vibing well. Monkeys, while they can’t talk like we can, still laugh when they are in rapport with each other.

Think to when you were telling a joke, and the group vibe was just so TIGHT. The people were starting to laugh before you’d even delivered the punch line. Maybe you said “I haven’t even told the joke yet, and you guys are laughing”. And they can’t figure out why, and they laugh even more as you say this.

Also, think of how when you use cocky tactics, girls laugh/giggle. This is a sign that they are wanting to vibe with you.

The movie “Goodfellas”, in the scene where Joe Pesci is telling jokes at the restaurant table, and everyone is laughing harder and harder. Ray Liotta can’t stop laughing. It’s not just the humour. It’s the VIBE.

People who are not socially intelligent will LAUGH AT THEIR OWN JOKES. They laugh prior to the group starting to laugh.

Notice next time that someone laughs at their own joke first. Were you JUST ABOUT to laugh, but then didn’t when they did first?

They were attempting to FILL IN THE RAPPORT GAP.

When the boss of an office tells a joke, everyone laughs. When the beta male tells it, he worries that nobody will, and laughs at his own joke to fill in the so-called rapport gap.

Concentrate on VIBING, and don’t try to artificially push rapport.

Better, is to WAIT until the group laughs, and THEN laugh with them.

This gap is also seen when people say “right” after all of their sentences. They are trying to FILL IN the “right” that the other person SHOULD have said themself, IF THEY HAD been socially vibing properly.

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RHETORICAL SEQUENCING

People, when talking, use weird (when you think about it) rhetorical sequencing. Here is an example:

A guy is excited that he got a cheap deal on a coat.

GOOD VIBING

• GUY: You’ll never guess how much I got this coat for.
• FRIEND: Wow.. Umm, 200$.
• GUY: No man. 45$
• FRIEND: Wow.. Nice man.

BAD VIBING

• GUY: You’ll never guess how much I got this coat for.
• FRIEND: Oh you got a deal. I guess 30$ then.
• GUY: Umm, actually 45$
• FRIEND: Oh.. well that’s not bad.

Notice that the friend TELEGRAPHED SUBCOMMUNICATIONS of INSECURITY.

His thought process was: “I’ll show GUY that I’m smart. I’m clever enough to pickup on the fact that if he said “You’ll never guess what I paid”, that he got a deal. Then I’ll have shown him that I passed his test.”

His INSECURITY caused him to miss out on the social vibing, which was intended to build excitement and wasn’t a test at all.

The secure guy, although realizing that the coat was really cheap, would still guess something lower end, but still high enough that if the guy’s deal wasn’t as great as he thought, he’ll still feel good. After all, its bought, so why worry about that stuff (UNLESS you seriously could hookup a massively cheaper deal and return the coat (which the socially intelligent guy would ascertain before even suggesting it), in which case the happiness derived from that would outweigh actually telling the guy that he didn’t get the best deal).

ANOTHER EXAMPLE

GOOD VIBING

• HB: I just got this crazy shirt. Look at it.
• PUA: Wow.. Cute!

BAD VIBING

• HB: I jsut got tihs crazy shirt. Look at it.
• PUA: Cool.. Hey you know in L.A. that shirt would be nothing. I should bring you there sometime.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE

GOOD VIBING

(Friend1 drives to Toronto for the first time with Friend2)

• FRIEND1: Wow man, look at that building.. That rocks..
• FRIEND2: Whoa.. That’s pretty big dude.

BAD VIBING

• FRIEND1: Wow man, look at that building.. That rocks..
• FRIEND2: Dude, that’s cool.. But man, you should see NYC. Man, NYC KILLS this place.

(JLAIX: If you’re reading this, who does this remind you of? HINT: His first name is *LERON*).

Again, with these examples, the person who is not vibing right does not get something: The purpose of the initial comment was NOT to ACTUALLY debate it. It was to SOCIALLY VIBE. The content was not the REAL communication. It was a surface for SUBCOMMUNICATION, which INTENDED to say “Let’s have a nice time, and have rapport with eachother and relax.”

The insecure and socially unintelligent person is taking the sentences of the first person, and FIELDING them as OPPORTUNITIES TO QUALIFY HIMSELF.

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HEIRARCHIES – ROLE IN SOCIAL INTERACTION

We all get our moment in the sun at some point.

You’ll notice, that when you are holding court, that sometimes people will be insecure with that.

The secure guy will recognize when its someone’s turn to hold court, and not fight it.

A person who is secure will talk to ADD EMPHASIS to a point. He will not DISPUTE a point while someone is holding court. He knows that he’ll have his chance LATER, and that right now someone is trying to get a point across.

Guys who are insecure will constantly dispute points whenever they see the opening. They view is at an opportunity to demonstrate their value.

They CANNOT RESIST the temptation.

For an example that everyone reading this can recoginze, look to this chatboard. Something tight will get posted. Insecure posters will nightpick semantics. Like “While this is important, its maybe an 8 out of 10 level importance. Not a 10 like you said.” The secure poster, if he finds the level of emphasis on a level where its honestly misinformative, might post “I think that x,y,z are really good, man. I think that you might consider less emphasis on it though, because a,b,c are important as well. Good post though man, I like x,y,z”

ANOTHER feature you’ll see on this board, and that is in the same vein, are THROWING LITTLE NEGS or TRYING TO COME OFF AUTHORITATIVE WHEN ITS NOT YOUR PLACE.

For example, you’ll see guys trying to get rapport with someone they don’t know by throwing little negs.

GOOD VIBING

• *OLD* FRIEND 1: Hey Stevo, you fucking bastard.. C’mere gimme a hug

BAD VIBING

• *NEW* ACQUAINTANCE: C’mere you fucker, help me out.

The second is BAD vibing, because he is trying to FORCE rapport with subcommunication that is only appropriate of old friends.

Similarly, you’ll see guys who try to come off authoritative. You’ll see it on the board, where a guy will post something quality, and someone who doesn’t like him will post “That’s very quality material. Good that you posted something of quality”. It’s like he’s trying to come off authoritative. Like he realizes that he’s negged on the guy on the chatboard, and he feels insecure that the guy he negged produced something worthwhile. So he has to come in and be all authoritative, like “I can show everyone that I recognize a good post”. Guys in real life will see someone who they publically disliked starting to improve himself, and say things like “Good that you’re improving. KEEP IT UP.” By this, they are trying to CONTROL what is happening. They are trying to say “Improve, because *I*, the AUTHORITY, approved.”

More on this… If you’ve ever ever ran a very good presentation at work or school, and you see an insecure person come up to you and criticize.

They don’t realize its YOUR TURN TO HOLD COURT. Their turn is LATER.

So they throw little negs at you. Like they always have to offer advice on how you could have improved it. They can’t just say “Good job man”.

Or they have to nit-pick subtleties. Like they can’t say “That was awesome”. They have to first go over their advise on where you fucked up.

For a real life example that most guys on this board can recognize, when you meet up with another guy from the scene through PAIR, if he’s insecure he’ll do the following:

1. Talk about game non-stop, rather than PLAY.
2. Watch you do a set, and CRITICIZE on what could be improved, rather than encourage.
3. You tell him about something that happened, and he gives you ADVICE, rather than just listening.

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SOCIAL INTERACTION WITH “VIBING” AS THE PRESUPPOSITION, NOT “DISCUSSING AN ISSUE”

When socializing, a good vibe will be set when the reason for being there is to enjoy eachother’s company.

However, sometimes a bad vibe can be set when the presupposition is that you’re there for a SPECIFIC PURPOSE.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with purpose. It has a place, and more of my daily interactions have a purpose than those that are to socially vibe.

However, recognizing that tagging a set purpose to an interaction will often stop a nice vibe from occuring, will help with a pickup.

Insecure people will often LATCH onto a purpose for the conversation, as a way of maintaining it.

Then they’ll leave on a “high note” once that purpose is exhausted.

This is a MAJOR cause of flaking. You maintained a conversation with a girl, but the presupposition was that you were discussing an issue. You left on the high note, but didn’t realize that you were actually REINFORCING to the girl that you are not socially compatible.

When going to meet up with you again, she’ll think “Well, we really have nothing more to talk about though. I don’t want to have nothing to talk about, because that would feel unfortable”

As guys, we don’t care. We might feel nervous that we’ll have nothing to talk about, but we want sex. But girls, if the feel uncomfortable, they won’t show up. That’s one reason why guys who smoke pot get laid alot. Girls rarely flake on them, because they have that social presupposition that will give comfort. For the rest of us who don’t smoke, we use SOCIAL VIBING rather than FORCED social interaction, to maintain comfort.

Clinging too strenously to a particular topic can come across insecure. When you say to a friend “Let’s go have a beer”, the subtext is “Let’s go socially vibe”. You don’t go discuss an issue, and say “Let’s reconvene later”. You go and you chill. You have a FRIENDSHIP. Non-party-chicks rarely flake on guys they have both attraction AND friendship with. But they do flake on guys who attract them, tongue them down, and say “Give me your #.”

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PRACTICAL FEMALE INTERACTION

In summary, how does this apply in practical terms?

Most of it comes in, during comfort building phase. Or if you use a different PU model than I do, then its when you’re getting to know the girl either way.

1. Don’t crack jokes to the girl, and laugh at them before she does. Wait. You’ll notice that it sometimes takes even 10-15 seconds for a joke to process. But it DOES. I usually bust on her for it “Oh, slow processing time.. That’s OK, you’re my little sister.. I didn’t adopt you for your brains”

   Also, don’t say “right” after everything. It can come across beta. Right?

2. When a girl is trying to impress you, RECOGNIZE it as her QUALIFYING herself. If you reject it, you’ll come across insecure, or socially unaware.

   This is DIFFERENT than the C&F stuff early, where you break rapport on purpose. In fact, much like how the “25 Points to not trying too hard” assumed that you were in EARLY GAME, this post to some extent at least assumes you are PAST early game.

   SHARE her excitement by recognizing rhetorical social sequencing.

3. Recognize when its your turn to talk, and when somebody else is being focused on.

   MUCH MUCH of the mid/later game is the chick qualifying herself to you.

   Because our pickup model encorporates alot of not trying, you’ll notice your best pickups (with NON-party-chicks at least) are with the ones who at some point EARN your attention.

   They perceive that they’ve WON your interest, and plan to COLLECT THE PRIZE (your dick in their mouth).

4. If a girl tells you about a problem, just LISTEN and change her emotion. Say “Ouch, that’s sounds tough.. But hey, you’re a powerpuff girl, and you know you’re to fiesty to let this stop you.. Let’s check out x,y,z”

   Definetely don’t offer advice. If she wants advice, she’ll say “WHAT SHOULD I DO?” Unless someone asks me what to do, I rarely offer advice. OR, I say “You know i have experience with this, so maybe later you can ask me about it.”

5. Focus on SOCIALLY VIBING and don’t CLING TO TOPICS. This will prevent flaking, and make her feel comfortable around you.

   Don’t leave on a high note. THERE IS NO HIGHNOTE. There is only vibing and flipping the switches that she needs to have switched in order to fuck you.

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OK retards, that’s it. Cool post, RIGHT? HAHAHAHHAHAA..

-TD

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Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast.advanced
Subject: Social Intelligence – vibing
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:32:00 -0400
On 9/10/03 11:17:39 AM, finalD wrote:
>> SOCIAL INTERACTION WITH
>”VIBING” AS THE
>PRESUPPOSITION, NOT
>> “DISCUSSING AN ISSUE”
>>
>>
>
>Key to all geekiness …

haa, I like that analysis – I agree completely.

It’s true, geeks need a presupposition to hang out. Interesting. I think I’m a natural geek, for sure.

Thanks for all the great feedback. I thought the guys’ answers to the questions that were given were really bang on, and covered my bases.

I suppose this sort of approach is the “external” way of coming at the problem.

The other way of course would be the “internal” way, which would mean improving your inner game so that you’re not needy and you’re not insecure.

I think that inner approach is great and has alot of value.

At the same time, the externally focused approach is what solved my internal issues, because once I figured out the points of how internally-balanced people acted, I got laid and then started to feel better internally.

Like one thing I like to do with newbs is tell the girls from the set I’m in that they have to tongue him down and grab his dick, or I’ll leave and blow them off. Or I’ll tell a girl from a 2set that if her friend isn’t warm to my friend, I’ll leave because he’s bored. The girls do this, and then the newb walks around strutting like he’s the man for the rest of the night. Then he PU’s another separate chick on his own, gets MOMENTUM, and it snowballs. These are extreme cases of the externally focused approach, but just focusing on the mannerisms of successful guys can do the same.

At the same time, for alot of guys they really need internal work. Like no success will fix them internally. So I think that both approaches are great.

I know Twentysix is now running great game, and he did both externally focused stuff (going out 4 nights a week), as well as seeing a psychologist.

-TD

Tyler Durden

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